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From: Tobias Klausmann <klausman@××××××××××××.de>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: [gentoo-dev] What's it about, anyway?
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 22:39:08
Message-Id: 20070605223332.GA22042@eric.schwarzvogel.de
1 Hi!
2
3 First, a few words on where I'm coming from, so you can maybe see
4 why I see things the way I do. I've been using Gentoo since some
5 time before 1.2. I've always liked its flexibility, its excellent
6 docs and that one could always find out how things work.
7
8 I'm also a Gentoo rsync mirror admin. That is, a community
9 mirror, so I'm no official member of the project. That said, my
10 mirror is probably one of the older (if not oldest) rsync
11 community mirrors out there. I'm quite sure it's in the top 10 of
12 total traffic done over the years.
13
14 Recently, I've convinced my boss to donate a rather large
15 AlphaServer to the project. I've done that because I heard alpha
16 had lost a good deal of their hardware donations and were looking
17 for someone to help out. So I did.
18
19 I've always enjoyed both, being a user and being a
20 remotely-yet-not-really dev. Recently, though, that has changed.
21
22 It's not only about the protracted and increasingly silly flame
23 wars on -dev. What happened today is just outright insane from
24 several points of view.
25
26 First, someone is offended by something that is said on IRC
27 between a group of devs. He then proceeds to publicly vent his
28 frustration with this incident.
29
30 Here's a hint: textual communication, be it mail, news or
31 *especially* IRC is very easily misunderstood and even more
32 easily ripped out of its context. I've learned that whenever
33 someone says something that offends you on IRC, there's several
34 ways to deal with it. First: Ignore it. Second: Take it up with
35 them, ask them (politely) what they meant, maybe tell them you
36 found it offensive. Just keep in mind: stay the fuck calm. Once
37 you abandon calmness, things will go downhill rapidly. The third
38 option, taking it up with some authority should only be taken
39 once you've used #1 and/or #2 without getting anywhere. Oh and
40 the fourth option is starting yelling right away. Not really an
41 option.
42
43 Okay, so far, nothing terribly bad has happened. There was a
44 misunderstanding and someone complained publicly. Not the
45 smartest move, IMHO, but hey, that's the way it is.
46
47 Then, after finding out it was a misunderstanding, the thing I
48 simply can't wrap my mind around happens: not only silence from
49 the initial complainer, but also two people who suggest things
50 might have gotten off to a wrong start are semi-banned.
51
52 Absolutely mind-boggling.
53
54 Where does this lead us (okay, me) to?
55
56 It leads me to question whether my helping out with Gentoo is
57 worth it. Mind you, I hold very little stake in there as a
58 nondev. But I'm seriously considering my options for another
59 reason: my involvement with Gentoo is something I'd put on a
60 resume.
61
62 But seeing how things have been deteriorating in the last few
63 months, I begin to doubt that that's a good idea.
64
65 I'm not pulling the "leave in a huff" card. Gentoo can survive
66 without me just fine. But I think it might be illustrative that
67 I, as a user seek alternatives due to this completely irrational,
68 childish and downright stupid behaviour.
69
70 Sure, I'm probably one of the more involved users, but if things
71 keep degrading at this pace, the average user will soon notice,
72 too. And then they'll run flocks, I guess.
73
74 This is not necessarily a "Think of the users!" type of mail.
75 More of a "Geez, are you anywhere near realizing what childish
76 behaviour your showing to the world?" affair.
77
78 That said, I'll shut up now.
79
80 Regards,
81 Tobias
82 --
83 In the future, everyone will be anonymous for 15 minutes.
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85 gentoo-dev@g.o mailing list

Replies

Subject Author
Re: [gentoo-dev] What's it about, anyway? Matti Bickel <mabi@g.o>
Re: [gentoo-dev] What's it about, anyway? Christel Dahlskjaer <christel@g.o>
Re: [gentoo-dev] What's it about, anyway? "Jan Kundrát" <jkt@g.o>
Re: [gentoo-dev] What's it about, anyway? Richard Freeman <rich@××××××××××××××.net>