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From: "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt-ml@××××××.com>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts?
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 20:10:54
In Reply to: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Future of gentoo's stable and unstable trees: what are your thoughts? by Sergei Trofimovich
1 Gentoo is as stable as YOU make it!!!!
3 I have run Gentoo exclusively as well for 14+ years, since ~2003. While
4 my production servers are all mostly stable, none are 100%. All
5 production systems have some ~arch packages, usually mine. Development
6 network and desktops/laptops have always been ~arch. I rarely if ever
7 have issues. I have long felt and state stability on such a
8 distro/platform is a misnomer.
10 If your system is unstable, it could be due to the lack of time you
11 spent making it stable. With some exceptions. Many time stable is more
12 unstable and has issues, sometimes fixed in ~arch. ~arch can be more
13 stable than stable.
15 That being said having been bit recently by a udev update that wanted a
16 file from /usr/lib, which I have on lvm, so it broke udev and booting
17 on ~arch. I reverted back, I did not file a bug.
19 Maybe the core profile/base system is maintained as stable and not, and
20 all the rest, packages are not stable or unstable, They are masked or
21 not. Things like tool chain, and base system should be stable. Beyond
22 that up to a package maintainer to mask or not. Masking new stuff is
23 underused.
25 It seems odd that upstream will release a package. Just for downstream
26 to consider it not stable. Did it get messed up during packaging? Did
27 it get messed up by the distro? The whole lag thing does not make sense
28 for Gentoo. Sooner released and tested on Gentoo. Sooner bugs can be
29 founded, reported back to upstream, etc. Speeds up development. That is
30 Gentoo's role in FOSS IMHO.
32 There are other distros if you want rock solid stability all the
33 way through with minimal effort. Though ever system admin I know has
34 changed their personal distro a few times due to one issue or another.
35 Even ones who work for vendors who sell Linux, and they carry 2 laptops.
36 While I remain on Gentoo, but telling them to avoid Gentoo. Many ran it
37 before and did not put in the effort. Not why I tell them to avoid.
39 Gentoo should get back to having the latest of all packages, and
40 testing integration. It is more a development distro, than mission
41 critical deployment. That possible and it can be rock solid for
42 mission critical uses. If the administrators make it such.
44 Gentoo is as stable as YOU make it!!!!
46 --
47 William L. Thomson Jr.