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From: Ben de Groot <yngwin@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting 19 April 2010
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:24:02
In Reply to: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting 19 April 2010 by Ulrich Mueller
1 On 7 April 2010 11:05, Ulrich Mueller <ulm@g.o> wrote:
2 > Next monthly council meeting will be at 19 April 2010, 18:00 UTC
3 > in #gentoo-council.
4 >
5 > If you have any topics you want us to discuss or even vote about,
6 > simply followup to this message.
8 1. reconsider metadata changepolicies proposal
9 ==============================================
11 The fact is there is a spectrum from ebuild maintainers' side about
12 how desirable it is for non-maintainers to step in, ranging from
13 "don't touch this ever" to "please do touch this". There may be very
14 valid reasons for this (in some cases intimate knowledge of the
15 package may be required, for example, or on the opposite side someone
16 might not have the time or motivation to do much about that specific
17 package) that have little to do with territoriality. While there is a
18 need for basic policies to be made more explicit, it is also obvious
19 that there is no good "one policy fits all" approach. The metadata
20 changepolicies proposal beautifully captured this spectrum and has
21 wide support from developers. While this information isn't directly
22 useful to users, the argument that it "would bloat the file for no
23 good reason" is false, because there are very good reasons: to
24 facilitate cooperation between devs as well as a better overall
25 quality of the tree. This benefits users, so I'm quite sure they don't
26 mind we use metadata.xml for that. Can council please decide to honor
27 the wish from developers to implement this?
30 2. website redesign
31 ===================
33 This is a recurring theme in discussions about Gentoo's shortcomings.
34 While there have been some minor improvements in recent years, the
35 resign project itself failed miserably, but is still as needed as
36 ever. We should have one elegant design that will be consistently
37 applied to all official Gentoo websites. A look at should
38 convince anyone of what can be done. Also our frontpage needs to be
39 more focussed on communicating the things users and new visitors are
40 looking for. Can council assure that a team will be assembled that can
41 effectively tackle this issue?
44 3. manpower and recruitment issues
45 ==================================
47 Another recurring theme is the lack of manpower in certain areas, the
48 recruitment bottleneck and the quizzes. There are some initiatives but
49 more decisive leadership is needed. Can council decide to actively
50 pursue solutions for these structural problems?
53 4. devrel ineffectiveness
54 =========================
56 What can be done to assure that conflicts are addressed in a timely
57 and effective manner by DevRel? What can be done to remove poisonous
58 people from Gentoo and its communication channels more decisively and
59 effectively? The fact that many people indicate they do not want to
60 become a developer for this exact reason, should be cause for concern.
61 Can council make a statement that they share these concerns and are
62 actively looking to address them?
65 5. centralize developer documentation
66 =====================================
68 Currently the documentation a developer needs to effectively write
69 ebuilds and maintain packages is scattered all over the place. We have
70 the (incomplete) devmanual, the developer handbook, various guides and
71 policies in individual projects, the GLEPs, council decisions, and a
72 legacy of unwritten rules or poorly documented policies. It would be
73 very helpful to centralize all that information, and work on properly
74 documenting our policies. At the very least there should be one page
75 that funtions as a portal to all existing relevant information. Even
76 better would be to have as much of that relevant information as
77 possible consolidated into one place, so that everyone knows where to
78 go to look that up. Can council decide to see this implemented?
80 Thanks,
81 --
82 Ben de Groot
83 Gentoo Qt project lead developer
84 Gentoo Wiki project lead


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Council meeting 19 April 2010 Denis Dupeyron <calchan@g.o>