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From: Andrew Savchenko <bircoph@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-util/staruml-bin
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 16:30:48
Message-Id: 20190318193027.339f5cf6e3055e9a62d29c53@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: dev-util/staruml-bin by "Michał Górny"
1 On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 16:09:18 +0100 Michał Górny wrote:
2 > On Sun, 2019-03-17 at 11:30 +0300, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
3 > > On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 18:38:48 +0100 Michał Górny wrote:
4 > > > On Sat, 2019-03-16 at 13:14 +0300, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
5 > > > > On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 10:35:18 +0100 Michał Górny wrote:
6 > > > > > On Sat, 2019-03-16 at 09:31 +0000, James Le Cuirot wrote:
7 > > > > > > On Fri, 15 Mar 2019 10:23:00 +0100
8 > > > > > > Michał Górny <mgorny@g.o> wrote:
9 > > > > > >
10 > > > > > > > # Michał Górny <mgorny@g.o> (15 Mar 2019)
11 > > > > > > > # Last reverse dependency of dev-libs/libgcrypt-1.5* (#656378). Current
12 > > > > > > > # version is outdated, maintainer is MIA and the new versions are
13 > > > > > > > # in distro-unfriendly AppImage format (#661740).
14 > > > > > > > # Removal in 30 days. Bug #677486.
15 > > > > > > > dev-util/staruml-bin
16 > > > > > > > =dev-libs/libgcrypt-1.5*
17 > > > > > >
18 > > > > > > I don't care about staruml-bin but libgcrypt is one of those legacy
19 > > > > > > libraries that would be helpful to keep around for older proprietary
20 > > > > > > software that is not in the tree. In particular, it is used by
21 > > > > > > Half-Life 2 and Portal, not exactly obscure games. It is included in
22 > > > > > > the Steam runtime but we highly recommend against using that because it
23 > > > > > > causes many issues.
24 > > > > >
25 > > > > > I don't understand why would you want to run some proprietary native
26 > > > > > executables requiring obsolete libraries on your system when HL2 works
27 > > > > > perfectly via wine, and gets a nice performance boost via Gallium Nine.
28 > > > >
29 > > > > Because native code works faster than API emulation via wine.
30 > > > >
31 > > >
32 > > > Do you have any data to support that? Or is it 'obvious'?
33 > >
34 > > Yes, I have. Because Half-Life 2 on native steam works on my old
35 > > box with GF 7300 and Athlon-XP and does not work at all on the
36 > > same box via wine-d3d9.
37 > >
38 >
39 > That's not really a data point. Unless you can actually test it (or
40 > otherwise prove that it would be slower if it worked), you're merely
41 > complaining that you can't use the faster solution.
42 >
43 > I'm sorry that you've bought non-OSS-friendly video card and now you're
44 > stuck with the choice between awful proprietary drivers and far-from-
45 > complete OSS drivers. However, that doesn't prove that the native
46 > version would be faster at all.
47
48 If wine-based version does not work, its performance is zero. That's
49 why the native version is faster.
50
51 Best regards,
52 Andrew Savchenko

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