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In defense of my confusion, certainly appears from the perspective of |
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the gentoo-dev ml that you are leading at the very least the |
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day-to-day management of the project. |
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But if I am wrong, I *sincerely* apologize. Let me see if I have all |
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the facts right. |
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Summary Of PMS: |
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PMS is a project that is not an offical Gentoo project, but is |
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controlled by a Gentoo developer (spb), is hosted on external |
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infrastructure, does not have a Gentoo Foundation copyright. The |
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council may try to impose a deadline on PMS but it is a non-Gentoo |
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project and thus out of its scope of influence in all areas besides |
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areas of mutual coordination. |
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Significant contributions to PMS are coming from Ciaran, someone who |
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has been explicitly banned from Gentoo development, but this is OK as |
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it is not a Gentoo project. The specification is designed to document |
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that functionality that ebuilds can rely on. Paludis, a non-Gentoo |
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project lead by Ciaran, will likely be the first conformant |
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implementation, after which the process will begin to get it adopted |
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as official policy for Gentoo ebuilds, via the Council and QA. As |
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such, it will likely have long-term impact on the way that Gentoo |
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writes ebuilds. |
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I *think* I have all that right? OK, I will accept this. |
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If that's the case, I'm suggesting the following "tweak" to the plans. |
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a) move PMS discussion off this list |
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Rationale: it's not an official Gentoo project. It doesn't get any |
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simpler than that. |
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Interested Gentoo devs can subscribe to a PMS list hosted on |
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non-Gentoo infrastructure. |
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It's also not worth keeping PMS on this list for a number of reasons, |
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and confuses people (me included) as to whether it is an official |
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Gentoo project. |
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b) You (Ciaran) should unsubscribe from this list. |
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Rationale: You (Ciaran) have already been explicitly banned from |
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Gentoo development yet are acting as the project's official spokesman |
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on this list which is clearly a Gentoo development list. I am asking |
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that you have a basic respect for your removal from Gentoo, despite |
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your personal feelings, which to me means that you are not "involved" |
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as a developer on a day-to-day basis and not working directly with |
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other Gentoo developers - except those that might want or need to work |
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with you on non-Gentoo projects (who can then freely interact with you |
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on non-Gentoo lists.) |
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This should not impede your work or that of PMS, as interested parties |
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can just subscribe to those non-Gentoo lists. In fact I expect this |
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will help to accelerate PMS development dramatically. |
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>From the perspective of Gentoo developers, it should also reduce |
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flames and hard feelings on this list, and allow Gentoo devs to have a |
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Gentoo-esque environment for Gentoo projects that is fully governed by |
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devrel and that Gentoo developers can be comfortable in. |
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Ciaran, everyone: My overarching goal is that *boundaries are |
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respected*, whatever they might be (in this case they were damn |
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confusing to figure out.) They exist for a reason, and whether or not |
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you agree with them they should be respected. I apologize to anyone I |
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might have offended in my effort to figure these out. Really. Sorry. |
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That being said, I think my suggestions make *TOTAL SENSE* for both. I |
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hope that even those people who got irritated with me understand where |
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I was coming from and will seriously consider my suggestions in this |
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email. |
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Let's take some quick and decisive action to get Gentoo and PMS going |
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in the right direction again, please. |
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*That* is what I have been trying to do, with the priority placed on |
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getting Gentoo going in the right direction. |
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-Daniel |
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On 3/4/07, Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@×××××××.org> wrote: |
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> On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 20:46:35 -0700 "Daniel Robbins" |
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> <drobbins.daniel@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> > On 3/3/07, Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@×××××××.org> wrote: |
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> > > Why is it a developer-only privilege? You just made that up. |
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> > |
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> > To co-lead a Gentoo project? |
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> I'm not co-leading it. You keep making things up. Stop doing that. |
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> -- |
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> Ciaran McCreesh |
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> Mail : ciaranm at ciaranm.org |
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> Web : http://ciaranm.org/ |
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> Paludis, the secure package manager : http://paludis.pioto.org/ |
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