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From: Egg Plant <egg.plant@××××××××××.com>
To: "gentoo-dev@l.g.o" <gentoo-dev@l.g.o>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Hangouts
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 07:51:28
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In Reply to: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Hangouts by Michael Palimaka
1 ----- Original Message -----
2 > From: Michael Palimaka <kensington@g.o>
3 >
4 > On 26/06/2013 01:09, Egg Plant wrote:
5 >> According to Pavlos Ratis proposal, it will be another channel of
6 > communication. I am not protesting to setup an unofficial channel there.
7 >>
8 >> I am fearing that it will gradually become an avenue for talent show,
9 > similar to other binary distros. That is why I am against to make it official
10 > channel.
11 > What makes it official or not? Does it make any practical difference?
12 >
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14 Yes. I think it will make our life better if any developer discuss or at least notify in the proper mailing list or IRC channel (as of now more accessible by majority of users & developers) before committing any horrible idea. Again I would remind you, I am not against any change that will improve our life.
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16 E.g., one can install Gentoo from binary packages, one can run Gentoo with Systemd instead of OpenRC, there are lots of other possibilities with Gentoo. But a newcommer is directed to read a "handbook" which will guide him/her using source packages & OpenRC. This is what I call official recommendation.
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19 >> Video is more attractive than Text or still photo.
20 >>
21 >> Several developers, who can afford the resources, will gradually shift
22 > their communication to that channel. It's somewhat cyclic dependency or
23 > chain reaction. It will just increase our workload (of gentoo development
24 > awareness). More fragmentation & distraction as well as other technical
25 > problems mentioned by others & me.
26 > Perhaps some will. Does that matter? There is already plenty of
27 > "fragmentation" - we have over 70 IRC channels and 60 mailing lists,
28 > not
29 > to mention blogs, wikis, overlays and countless other methods of
30 > development and communication.
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32 Yes. We can not control or change this universe, only we can try to make our life beter.
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35 > As Rich said, everyone has their favourite medium and every medium is
36 > not suitable for every person.
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38 I am not against it. Read my mails one more time.
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41 >> I don't want any unnecessary attention from some Computer Science
42 > students (unable to get a job at Microsoft or Apple!  sorry, I don't like
43 > to be that hard) to show their talent and gift me with another unstable,
44 > unreliable, expectation only, useless distro.
45 > I am not sure what this has to do with hangouts.
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47 I am keeping my mouth shut here. More talk will lead to discussion on religion or political or management level (i.e., /dev/null).
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50 >> Change is good, only if it improves our life. For colourfull life there are
51 > other things one can play with.
52 >>
53 >> The resourcefull developers/users can meet each other at Gentoo Miniconf
54 > and similar other gatherings in real world. That will make us more human.
55 > Again, Rich was spot on here. A quick search of reveals that it would
56 > have taken me approximately 30-40 hours in transit and $4,000-$6,000 in
57 > flights alone to have attended the Miniconf.
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59 I am not saying these gatherings are good replacement for Video conferencing.
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62 >> [P.S.: request you to read my first mail once again, I am not totally
63 > against this type of activity. Everything has it's place & time.]
64 >>
65 >
66 > Best regards,
67 > Michael
68 >
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71 I am replying only to you doesn't mean I am attacking you personally. Just I am explaining my point of view about the proposal.
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73 Thanks for your kind attention.
74 I am not going to indulge on this topic any more.
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77 I'm yet a learner, warn me if I'm doing any wrong... [|:-)