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From: Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev <gentoo-dev@l.g.o>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrites: app-misc/secure-delete, app-misc/ccal, www-apache/mod_vhs, app-portage/epm, www-apps/online-bookmarks, sys-apps/i2c
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 04:15:51
Message-Id: CAGfcS_=Y+TOtLyRwLLBXjsbWKOWfV5opYDWEfeCbyCNrs457xg@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Lastrites: app-misc/secure-delete, app-misc/ccal, www-apache/mod_vhs, app-portage/epm, www-apps/online-bookmarks, sys-apps/i2c by Peter Stuge
1 On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Peter Stuge <peter@×××××.se> wrote:
2 > CAUTION: Note that shred relies on a very important assumption: that
3 > the file system overwrites data in place. This is the traditional way
4 > to do things, but many modern file system designs do not satisfy this
5 > assumption.
6
7 Whether the time for these utilities has fully come or not I won't
8 comment on, but they're already obsolete, at least the way they
9 operate.
10
11 Really the only way to do secure deletion of data is to support it at
12 the filesystem level, and make it an ioctl or whatever. And if you're
13 going to do that you might as well encrypt all the data in the first
14 place with file/block-specific keys that change on
15 overwrites/deletes/etc).
16
17 The sorts of things that make shred possible are the same sorts of
18 things that tend to shred your data when you don't want to lose it.
19 This is really beyond the realm of userspace as a result, now.
20
21 Rich