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On 12/24/05, Brian Harring <ferringb@g.o> wrote: |
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> On Sat, Dec 24, 2005 at 07:22:50PM -0800, Bret Towe wrote: |
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> > > > i can understand putting proper warning in the ebuild if the dev |
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> > > > thinks that its worth the user really noting the issues surrounding |
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> > > > it, not forcing their ideals onto the user |
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> > > > if i wanted that i would run debian |
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> > > See above, and drop the rhetoric please. |
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> > im sorry for attempting to get my idea across |
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> Nothing wrong with discussion- you're pushing a contraversial idea. |
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> Don't need rhetoric to get what you want, you need *facts* and *good* |
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> arguements as to why your way is right. |
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only fact i had is i saw a bug being closed with explianation as to |
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why so i inquired and here we are |
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> Rhetoric doesn't fall under that, since someone will see through it |
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> and the bs flaming will start up shortly after- thus it should be |
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> avoided (and yes, I'm sure I'm probably being a hypocrit here). |
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> > > > for those that havent figured it out yet from reading the above |
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> > > > i dont care the politics of the issue with the licence all i want |
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> > > > is the functionality of the ebuild concerned |
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> > > Politics do suck. |
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> > > That said, lawyers crawling up your ass sucks worse. |
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> > > Bluntly, you're asking a collection of devs, who have their own |
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> > > contributions protected by licenses, to ignore a source base's |
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> > > license. That's going to be one hard sell. ;) |
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> > i thought i was asking how commiting this can even affect the devs |
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> > or gentoo in general |
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> Again, you're asking us to take part in license violation- depending |
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> on the lawyerly interpretation of the license, either we're actually |
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> in violation of the license, or we're enabling license violation. |
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> Already made it clear in the previous email, you're asking folks who |
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> have their hard work protected by licenses to knowingly violate a |
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> license. |
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> Ain't going to hapen. |
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> > > > if it is the case that the devs believe the user is totally incapable |
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> > > > of making choices for themselfs then i suggest putting up |
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> > > > somewhere noting it as such |
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> > > Again, ixnay rhetoric; if we violate the license (which we would be |
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> > > doing), we're responsible (along with user who uses it). |
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> > how does that work? an ebuild is a script or do you mean by the dev |
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> > testing it they also perform the same action as the user would? |
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> See above. |
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> > > It doesn't matter if someone else has picked up the source and labeled |
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> > > it as lgpl, unless the new project has *express* permission from the |
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> > > original author, they're not even allowed to screw with the source- |
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> > > the new project could be viewed as a new program. |
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> > > Barring the new program angle, there still is the requirement all |
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> > > fixes/changes be contributed back to the original upstream. |
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> > > Original upsream being dead means it's effectively impossible to |
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> > > improve the source. |
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> > orignal doesnt matter as long as someone is |
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> Original matters, because the new project is using that codebase- |
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> they're bound by the license of the original regardless of whether or |
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> not they abide by it (iow, regardless of if they're violating the law |
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> or not). |
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> > and again i am sorry if i seem to repeat myself a bit but i find |
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> > people i talk to ether dont get what im talking about or dont listen |
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> > so i end up going in circles trying to beat what im saying into their head |
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> *Cough* there is the possibility that folks who do packaging of |
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> software might have a clue on the licensing issues here, and be seeing |
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> something you aren't :) |
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> Yes it's arrogant/elitist, but my point is that our differing opinion |
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> might have valid logic behind it. |
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im sorry to say i dont go with that unless they point me to that logic |
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i dont blindly follow with the rest of the sheep |
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> Basically... don't talk _at_ people, talk and listen (discourse). |
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i do but it can still end up being just talk at |
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> ~harring |
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