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From: Florian Philipp <lists@×××××××××××.net>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] UEFI secure boot and Gentoo
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 08:38:32
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] UEFI secure boot and Gentoo by Richard Farina
Am 15.06.2012 09:58, schrieb Richard Farina:
> On 06/15/2012 03:12 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> On 15 June 2012 13:24, Arun Raghavan <ford_prefect@g.o> wrote: >>> On 15 June 2012 10:33, Ben de Groot <yngwin@g.o> wrote: >>>> On 15 June 2012 12:45, Arun Raghavan <ford_prefect@g.o> wrote: >>>>> On 15 June 2012 09:58, Greg KH <gregkh@g.o> wrote: >>>>>> So, anyone been thinking about this? I have, and it's not pretty. >>>>>> >>>>>> Minor details like, "do we have a 'company' that can pay Microsoft to >>>>>> sign our bootloader?" is one aspect from the non-technical side that I've >>>>>> been wondering about. >>>>> >>>>> Sounds like something the Gentoo Foundation could do. >>>> >>>> I'm certainly not the only one who would be averse to paying Microsoft >>>> any ransom money. >>> >>> And our refusal to pay for the signing affects precisely nobody except >>> for our users, who will have to jump through an extra hoop to make >>> their system work. >>> >>> On the flip side, having a simple way to use this infrastructure means >>> that people who care about security can get a chain of trust from the >>> firmware to the kernel (heck, maybe even userspace one day). This is >>> something that is worth having as well. >> >> I agree that security is a worthwhile goal. I just don't trust Microsoft. >> > It's more of a "pay us or your system can't boot" that I'm opposed to. > Saying "I just don't trust Microsoft" is second to "I just don't trust > corporations that extort money from me just so I can boot". I don't > care who we are paying, I'm offended by the idea. If users can't build > their own fully functional boot loader that's an issue. > > I'm all for the signed "work-around signatures" idea as it is the least > objectionable... if such a thing is even possible. > > -Zero >
It is the most objectionable idea *I* can think of. Most importantly because it puts the Dev who volunteers to prove his or her identity to Verisign into a huge legal risk: Secure Boot is designed to prevent root kits. And whether you like it or not, it achieves this goal since it is a well designed system with few potential flaws. That means providing signature work-arounds which include your actual real name and other identifiable records (as they have to contain your public key) makes you an accessory to computer crimes. Besides, it wouldn't work long. They can blacklist keys. This isn't a half-arsed pseudo-secure system like DVD-CSS or WEP. We cannot break it in a 10 minute mailing list discussion. We have to play by the rules or don't play at all. Everything else will require years or decades of research. Regards, Florian Philipp Regards, Florian Philipp


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Re: [gentoo-dev] UEFI secure boot and Gentoo Walter Dnes <waltdnes@××××××××.org>