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From: Lance Albertson <ramereth@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:45:36
Message-Id: 44EDACD8.6060900@gentoo.org
In Reply to: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet by Donnie Berkholz
1 Donnie Berkholz wrote:
2 > I just posted this to my blog [1], but I know you don't all read it so I
3 > wanted to post it here as well. Do read all the way through. I very
4 > rarely write anything this long, and when I do, it's something I feel
5 > very strongly about.
6
7 <snip a bunch of good stuff>
8
9 > If I could go back in time a couple of years and prevent this democracy
10 > from ever happening, I would. If I could fix these problems myself, I
11 > would. But it requires buy-in from the entire Gentoo community if we're
12 > to do anything about it.
13
14 Amen brother.
15
16 I mentioned something similar about needing a single voice to help push
17 development in the right direction back in January. And sadly, I'm
18 seeing the same responses on your thread as I did on mine back then. Its
19 just to the point where there is a line dividing many developers on what
20 they think is the right way to run Gentoo. Looking at the folks we have
21 now, I seriously doubt we'll be able to fix it. The same problems we've
22 faced in the last year or so will just get worse, and eventually enough
23 good developers will leave that critical mass will be in effect.
24
25 Maybe its a cultural thing between some of us, or maybe its the
26 'pre-daniel' versus 'post-daniel' devs. I'm curious the demographics of
27 our active developers that were on prior to daniel's leaving compared to
28 those who joined after. To most of the recent active folks, they never
29 knew what it was like before. Hell, I just got on towards the tail end
30 of the daniel-era, so I don't have much validity in that realm myself!
31 But I do remember how it used to be and how well we did things and how
32 we usually respected each other in some fashion or another.
33
34 I'm afraid those days are in the past unless some kind of fork happens
35 where the folks who think we need a leader go their way and the folks
36 who prefer the leader-by-committee approach go their way. We all hate
37 forks, none of us have time for forks, but looking at the dividing line,
38 I don't see how we'll be able to compromise with out adding more
39 policies and BS.
40
41 Anyways, Donnie++
42
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@×××××××××××××.uk>