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From: Alec Warner <antarus@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 03:17:52
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis by Ciaran McCreesh
1 > On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:46:14 +0530
2 > Anant Narayanan <anant@g.o> wrote:
3 >> On 29-Mar-07, at 2:26 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
4 >> > On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:19:45 +0530
5 >> > Anant Narayanan <anant@g.o> wrote:
6 >> >> I certainly don't think so. A lot of people *switch* to Gentoo
7 >> >> because of portage. Portage is a core part of our distro, and I
8 >> >> don't see it being replaced for a long time to come.
9 >> >
10 >> > Portage or the tree? Portage is just a way of using the tree, and
11 >> > it's not a very good one...
12 >>
13 >> Both portage and the tree. I don't deny the fact that portage isn't
14 >> the best way of using the tree but it's a lot better than many of
15 >> the package managers (think other distros) out there.
16 >
17 > Better than many other package managers isn't exactly a glowing
18 > commendation. When you consider the disadvantages associated with a
19 > source-based distribution, Gentoo has to do a lot better than that in
20 > order to be worthwhile -- and it only takes one package manager to be
21 > better to make Gentoo not worth using. The goal should be "substantially
22 > better than any other package manager"...
23 >
25 Quoting our Philosophy Page:
27 'The goal of Gentoo is to strive to create near-ideal tools. Tools that
28 can accommodate the needs of many different users all with divergent
29 goals. Don't you love it when you find a tool that does exactly what you
30 want to do? Doesn't it feel great? Our mission is to give that sensation
31 to as many people as possible.'
33 I am unaware of any other goals currently present within Gentoo. I would
34 imagine people have goals, projects have goals; but gentoo has none other
35 that the one above. Now you can make the point that portage is not a
36 'near-ideal tool' and I'd agree for a large number of use cases; but at
37 least you'd be making a point against something thats actually a goal for
38 us instead of some made up goal like 'compete against Ubuntu/Fedora'.
40 That said; people are working on it. You have been hearing that for years
41 I know; most of that effort honestly became pkgcore (more or less). I'm
42 not about to say 'just give portage more time' because that is a stupid
43 statement to make. However I seriously doubt paludis or pkgcore is ready
44 to take over management for our users. For being a badly designed
45 application, portage has a large pair of shoes to fill.
47 -Alec
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Re: [gentoo-dev] [soc] Python bindings for Paludis Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@×××××××.org>