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On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 6:34 AM, Fabio Erculiani <lxnay@g.o> wrote: |
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> I think expressing my own opinion about Lennart-made software is my |
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> right, after all. |
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> Firstly, it's almost impossible nowadays to avoid including avahi, |
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> systemd and pulseaudio into a desktop distro so, there is no real |
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> choice. This issue became a sensible matter for those users who for |
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> instance, wanted to have a silly mp3 player working without going |
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> through the PA nonsense, really missing the old |
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> ALSA-oh-it-was-always-working days. |
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Er, the source is open, so choice is always there. What I think your |
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complaint is the fact that it used to be easy to do those things |
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(because upstream supported those options and USE flags exposed them |
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to you) and now upstream is not supporting those options and there is |
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no easy way to remove the dependencies without doing a bunch of work. |
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> If you want to bring complexity but you end up not being able to |
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> handle it, then you're not a really good engineer, IMHO. |
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I don't think anyone expects complexity to come bug-free. Cathedral |
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and the Bazaar? Release Early and Release Often? I expect the software |
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to reach a stable state in a reasonable amount of time given the |
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complexity involved. |
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> Having said that, I also wonder where's the lovely modularity the |
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> various *nix platforms had. If this is the actual direction of Linux |
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> Foundation, Redhat and Canonical, I am worried that Linux would end up |
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> being an OSX-wannabe. |
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The problem as I understand it is that you want other people to write |
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software that meets your needs and it turns out that the world doesn't |
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always work that way. |
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You can fork the software you hate (using versions before you hated |
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it) or you can write your own software (like mdev + busybox) to |
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replace the hated components. Both of those things are actually |
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somewhat useful. Complaining about how some random people on the |
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internet don't write software that you find palatable is just silly. |
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> Of course, I am not only bringing my personal opinion here, but the |
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> one of the majority of users I've been talking with. |
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> I am not against changes, I am actually in favor of them, but only |
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> when they really make sense and solve problems, which it doesn't seem |
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> the case lately. |
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> I didn't want to offend anyone, but just having fun (sigh) of IMHO bad |
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> design decisions. |
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> -- |
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> Fabio Erculiani |
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