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I am splitting this to a separate thread, because it could become a |
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long thread pretty easily. |
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On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 07:14:00AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: |
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> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@g.o> wrote: |
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> > I've been considering packaging systemd in sys-fs/udev with USE="systemd" |
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> > and use of 'if' and 'else' plus creating virtual/systemd for proper / |
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> > installation and some other minor, but bad design choices done in the |
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> > systemd packaging |
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> What is the consensus of the systemd team regarding those choices? |
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> Would it make more sense to just fix the packaging rather than forking |
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> it? I'm not sure what all the issues are, or how widespread the |
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> disagreement is. |
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I am a member of the systemd team, and I know what needs to be done. I |
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have offered patches multiple times the last few months to fix the |
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packaging, only to have them refused, even though I have presented, |
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multiple times, strong recommendations from systemd upstream that I am |
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correct, as well as making it clear that I would take responsibility for |
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breakages the change would cause. Originally, we did install systemd |
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correctly, but that was changed some time back, before I joined the |
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team. All Samuli and I have asked is that the change we made that puts |
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everything in /usr be undone. Besides the udev team, this would have |
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benefits for the gnome team. |
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You may ask why I have offered patches instead of just fixing the ebuild |
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since I am a team member. That is because even team members aren't |
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allowed to touch bugs assigned to systemd@g.o [1], and my |
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personal efforts to advocate for this specific change got me this comment as |
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well [2]. This bug, and others like it, would never have come up if |
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we were installing systemd the way upstream recommends. |
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I'll keep this short for now unless others here want to see the rest of |
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my evidence, but What it boils down to is this. As a member of the |
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systemd team, I have questioned the way we are doing things, multiple |
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times. I feel that we aren't doing things in the best interest of the |
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distro as a whole. However, consensus doesn't matter on that team; the |
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members are expected to do exactly as they are told. |
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William |
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[1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=472792#C11 |
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[2] https://bugs.gentoo.org/478538#C11 |
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