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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:35:05 +0200 |
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dams@×××.fr wrote: |
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> Spider <spider@g.o> said: |
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> > 9) Decisions and communications |
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> > All theese things need to be properly discussed and in the open. I |
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> > was shocked to find out I suddenly got a manager who thought I was |
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> > to run my decisions about including applications to the Gnome |
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> > desktop by them, as well as the idea of a single uniformed Gentoo |
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> > desktop is completely-appalling- to me. |
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> What does that mean? do you already hate me ? :) |
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No, this was in no way a personal assault and I'm very sorry that you |
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choose to take it as such, and continued with the replies out of order |
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when doing so. |
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I tried to carefully keep issues here apart, in order to further a |
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discussion about points I had. |
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> Sad but true, the only answerwe have is that we don't want their |
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> desktop. But every propositions to change things from the vanilla |
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> state won't fit everybody. So the bottom line is the vanilla state, |
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> for now. |
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ok, thats a good start. I hope you refer to my point above here that |
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decisions about changing this "for now" are made in the open and |
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including the developers who are in line for it. I really don't want to |
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find myself in a situation where there are global allcompassing |
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decisions made about things like this without open discussion and |
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communication. I realize that for as long as this is a privately held |
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company, and perhaps even after that, Daniel has final say. |
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> I'm trying to make you all react so that we can find something else. |
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Erm, I wish to think I did react here before, and also tried to be |
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constructive in how I looked at things. Perhaps you disagree. |
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> Why change the background of frame buffer, loader, and not the DE |
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> background? |
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I consider Splash-screens (Grub, Lilo, "Starting Gnome" , "loading |
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KDE" ) and Login prompts to be good places for branding because they do |
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not infere with the function of the desktop, and don't intrude on our |
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users. |
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This is also why I'm opposed to changing the desktop background, and |
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default theme's and icons. |
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> I'd say : let don't do "gentoo desktop"! we just maintain the desktop |
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> vanilla stuff. Default config is the vanilla one, changed to fit the |
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> (non desktop) modification that have been done to the core gentoo. If |
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> the guy wants an unified menu, he emerges the menu system, we provide |
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> the good config file. If he wants a background for the frame buffer, |
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> he can put one himself... |
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> That's the best solution : let's customize every pieces without |
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> thinking about the global desktop experience. The user will choose |
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> which pieces to put together. |
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This is a good way of doing it, and one I agree with completely. |
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(That doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see a uniform theme for Grub, |
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bootsplash and GDM screens, so the computer doesn't look like its doing |
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a fast-forward between themes on bootup ;) |
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> I think that's the debian desktop. That's not that bad, debian desktop |
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> is rock solid, stable, good looking once configured, and powerfull if |
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> you install the powerfull stuff. |
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> But you seem to want something else... |
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I think I stated the things I'd like to see pretty well in the previous |
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post to the list. |
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> > In this regard the ruling cabal (ie, management) |
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> > have flunked completely and their actions , and more |
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> > importantly, inactions are to be questioned. This whole process |
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> > could have been dealt with far nicer. |
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> I'm sorry about that, I learned I could be the desktop leader 10 mins |
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> before we argue together on irc. |
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No reason to be, you weren't the one behind this decision. |
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//Spider |
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