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Zac Medico wrote: |
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> On 04/11/2012 07:13 AM, Steven J Long wrote: |
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>> Zac Medico wrote: |
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>>> On 04/10/2012 07:28 PM, Steven J Long wrote: |
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>>>> I suppose you could script that, but again, it just seems like a lot of |
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>>>> bother to implement an "alternative" that doesn't actually gain |
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>>>> anything over the traditional setup (plus making sure that partitions |
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>>>> are mounted before udev starts.) |
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>>> At least in the case of udev, we gain from not having to maintain a |
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>>> fork. |
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>> "Making sure that partitions are mounted before udev starts" is a lot |
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>> less of an ask than setting up an initramfs, and changing the way we've |
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>> worked for years. It's what you proposed: an earlymounts init script, or |
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>> patches to Gentoo initscripts to do the same thing. Neither involves any |
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>> patches to udev proper, so no fork needs to be maintained. |
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> It's not generally practical to do mounts prior to starting udev, since |
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> udev can may be needed to create the device nodes that are needed for |
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> for performing the mounts. Maybe a subset of users can get away with it |
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> by relying on devtmpfs and having the drivers built into the kernel, but |
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> that won't work for everyone. |
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OFC not: the generic method is to use an initramfs. But many of us *do* have |
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the drivers for the device nodes built-in: it's part of the initial setup in |
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configuring a kernel (manually) and getting it to boot. |
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I can't speak for others, but that level of control is why I, for one, chose |
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Gentoo in the first place. I don't see the need for a source-based distro to |
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include everything and the kitchen-sink: that principle applies via USE- |
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flags, and it applies via having a lean kernel that doesn't contain modules |
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for 15 PCI controllers my motherboard doesn't have, and never could have. |
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The Council has voted that Gentoo continue to support that subset, without |
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an initramfs. |
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I'm glad you accept that we don't need to fork udev to do this, though, so |
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there isn't that maintenance issue, beyond Gentoo initscripts (and if there |
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should be in future, a Council member has already committed to overseeing |
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that work.) |
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