Re: [gentoo-dev] Reviving the Sandbox project

[Michał Górny]

W dniu pią, 22.09.2017 o godzinie 19∶15 +0200, użytkownik Alexis Ballier
napisał:
> On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 17:20:23 +0200
> Michał Górny <mgorny@g.o> wrote:
>
> > W dniu pią, 22.09.2017 o godzinie 12∶57 +0200, użytkownik Alexis
> > Ballier napisał:
> > > On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 06:07:18 +0200
> > > Michał Górny <mgorny@g.o> wrote:
> > >
> > > > W dniu czw, 21.09.2017 o godzinie 15∶41 -0700, użytkownik Matt
> > > > Turner napisał:
> > > > > On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Michał Górny
> > > > > <mgorny@g.o> wrote:
> > > > > > Given that sandbox is utterly broken by design, I don't really
> > > > > > want to put too much effort in trying to make it a little
> > > > > > better. I'd rather put the minimal effort required to make it
> > > > > > not-much-worse.
> > > > >
> > > > > You said in your initial email that you weren't an expert in its
> > > > > internals, but here you say it's broken by design. Why do you
> > > > > think that?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Because it uses LD_PRELOAD which is a huge hack and which causes
> > > > guaranteed issues we can't really fix. All we can do is disable
> > > > it for emacs, for compiler-rt and I'm afraid this list will grow
> > > > because overriding random library functions is never a good idea.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I think we're all ears for a better solution. There are probably
> > > much better ways to do sandboxing these days than 15 years ago.
> > >
> > > LD_PRELOAD does not work with static binaries. Hence the non
> > > portable ptrace stuff. Hence bugs. Etc. The point is, that's the
> > > best we have now.
> > >
> >
> > I know of two obvious alternatives: ptrace and filesystem layer (e.g.
> > FUSE).
> >
> > For the former, there's sydbox. I'm going to look into integrating it
> > into Portage when I have more time.
>
> From: https://github.com/alip/pinktrace/blob/master/configure.ac
> case "$host_cpu" in
> i[[3456]]86|pentium)
> x86?64*|amd64)
> ia64)
> powerpc64*)
> powerpc*)
> arm*)
>  [add support for those arches]
> *)
> 	AC_MSG_RESULT([NO!])
> 	AC_MSG_ERROR([Architecture $host_cpu is not supported by
> pinktrace]) ;;
>
> sandbox keywords:
> 2.11-r5:0: ~alpha ~amd64 ~arm ~arm64 ~hppa ~ia64 ~m68k ~mips ~ppc
>  ~ppc64 ~s390 ~sh ~sparc ~sparc-fbsd ~x86 ~x86-fbsd
>
>
> Good luck adding the missing bits!
>
>
> > For the latter, I have writing one in TODO. But I'm not sure when I'll
> > have enough time to do work on it.
>
> Not sure how that would work, but you'll likely need some kind of
> chroot/container since you don't want to trust a random binary ran as
> root to respect environment variables.
>

Environment variables? What for?

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny