Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Gentoo Support Everywhere

[Jesús Guerrero]

On Wed, May 20, 2009 22:26, Jeremy Olexa wrote:
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote:
>
>> Alistair Bush wrote:
>>
>>> Dale wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> The Gentoo subforum on LQ would help to collect the posts in one
>>>>> place.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> That would be the point.  Gentoo has its own forum so why have two
>>>>  forums?  What would be the point in having two places to go look
>>>> for answers?  Better yet, why would Gentoo support both forums?
>>>>
>>>> I'm a member at LQ tho I haven't been there in a long while.  I
>>>> just don't see why there has to be two forums when the one forum we
>>>> have is more than enough.  If someone can't find the Gentoo forums,
>>>> I'm not sure
>>>> they can find the chair and keyboard either.  lol
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> How about we ask for a subforum to be created with a BIG STICKY
>>> telling it is better to ask support questions at forums.gentoo.org
>>>
>>> Could it be possible that users don't know about f.g.o?  ( find it
>>> highly unlikely actually)
>>>
>>> Alistair
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'm not 100% against this.  I do like your idea a lot tho.  I have
>> two things that concern me but may not make sense to anyone else.
>>
>> 1:  Anyone remember the GUI installer?  I didn't think there was
>> enough people back then to support that "monster" either.  I liked the
>> idea but thought Gentoo would be better served by letting the devs
>> concentrate on better things and most likely more important things.  I
>> feel about the same way about this.  In the past week or so, I have
>> seen discussions about packages not having maintainers and other things
>> that needs attention but lack time or man power.  While Gentoo has come
>> a VERY long way in even the past few months, I would hate to see it get
>> bogged down with another project.  If it gets more projects than it can
>> handle, the "death of Gentoo" talk will start again.  I been here long
>> enough to see that a few times.
>
> The point that you are missing is that Jesús is already doing the same
> stuff now as he will in the future. He just needs a project page to make
> his "job" even easier and 'official' for LQ management.

As you say, I've said it lots of times, this will be the last
time I repeat and explain it to Dale: *I* am the one doing that,
and *I* am already doing that, and *will* continue to do that.

The ebuilds that lack attention will continue to lack attention
until someone volunteers to fix them. And *I am not* going to do
so, it doesn't matter if this project succeeds or not. So I
can't really understand that argument. Whatever *I* do will have
zero effect on the other areas you mention. Nor in a positive nor
a negative way. Whether this project becomes official or I continue
supporting people alone by myself my contribution to stagnated
ebuilds will be exactly the same: ZERO. Except for some occasional
bug report to bugzilla, just like any other user, and never as a
developer because first: I am no portage developer, second: I have
no interest in the matter.

Can anyone force me to change my interests? no.

What Dale is missing is that people will only contribute where
they are interested, and if that's not possible, then they won't
contribute at all.



>> 2:  I sort of like having basically one place to go for help.  The
>> place I go is Gentoo.  That includes the Gentoo mailing list and the
>> Gentoo
>> forums.  If LQ has a forum, who is next, justlinux, then someone else
>> etc etc etc?  Am I and a lot of other people going to have to search
>> half a dozen websites to find a fix?  What if the answer to my
>> question is on a website I am not familiar with or know about?  There
>> would be a lot of duplication of threads across several sites and fixes
>> would be harder to find.   I am a member at justlinux, LQ and several
>> other sites and I on occasion help people on other sites but I don't go
>> looking for Gentoo fixes there.
>>
>
> Agreed, but people will do it anyway. We can't "shut down"
> http://www.gentoo-quebec.org/forum/ for example.

I already explained in my other posts that this is not about
segregating the support. It is about handling something that's
real, it doesn't matter if you like it or not: *it's real*,
people do post there. The world is as it is. That's another
thing that I won't repeat again because this is going round
in circles.

This will have exactly zero negative effect on the Gentoo forum,
eventually users on those forum(s) will use forums.gentoo.org
directed to here by me.



Comments are always welcome, but we are saying the same thing
again and again ad infinitum so I'll leave it at that unless
new arguments appear in scene.

Regards :)

-- 
Jesús Guerrero