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From: Cliff Free <anaranjado@×××××××××.net>
To: "Derek J. Belrose" <derek@×××××××××.com>
Cc: Jeff Rose <rosejn@××××××××.EDU>, gentoo-dev@g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] GUI installer
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:25:09
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] GUI installer by "Derek J. Belrose"
Well it now sounds like we're getting into the design issues, so I say
we get something formal started and save the flame-wars for when we're
making design decisions.  I like the ideas put-forth so far, and it
seems we have several interested people, so my question is: What's the
next step?

On Sun, 2003-04-13 at 16:36, Derek J. Belrose wrote:
> I haven't had any problems with wxPython, and it should be pretty simple > straight through. I do think limiting the stage 3 to X11 is kind of > presumptuious though. My Blade 100 doesn't have a monitor hooked up, so > an X11 install would in fact limit me to a Stage 2 or 1 install. > > Anyway, once we get the CLI part, we should be able to design a decent > gui around it. > > I want to start a thread on what a gui/cli package manager should do, > what info to present, etc. > > Jeff Rose wrote: > > >Alright, we are narrowing in. I think starting with a CLI installer makes > >sense because it will allow us to work on the true installation issues > >rather than getting bogged down in gui code. Lets use python. That will > >let us to use both Cursing Cow and Anaconda as great resources for just > >about every step of the installation. Once we feel like everything runs > >smoothly on a variety of boxes then we can work on putting a gui on top. > >(I think wxPython is the best solution. Its clean, quick and extensive. > >We could even use a gui builder to quickly experiment with a variety of > >interface options.) Anyway, that is for later. > > Building the installer as a set of install/configuration modules > >is a great idea. Lets start with defining those modules, and then we can > >work on common code etc. before digging in. > > I propose that we break this whole idea into 3 main sections. > >(Note: This has nothing to do with the stage1,2,3 tarballs.) > > > >First, we need the basic gentoo installation: > > > >- partitioning and file systems (RAID support? SCSI cards?) > >- nic detection and module loading (Pretty much complete?) > >- dns, routing, firewall stuff > >- date & time > >- keyboard, mouse, language > >- cpu detection and compiler flags > >- mounting partitions and getting stage tarball setup > >- password & hostname > >- fstab > >- bootloader setup (interfaces to lilo and/or grub) > > > > Once the basic system is installed we move into part 2, > >initial Portage system installation and configuration: > > > >- Portage tree sync > >- Setting use flags > >- Kernel configuration > >- build > > > > Now we have a basic system installed. We can reboot into our new > >kernel and start the final, most difficult, stage of installation: package > >selection. Rather than just copying everyone else and making large lists, > >lets try to make this more intuitive. Maybe we could have a few bundles > >that people can select to get rolling quickly, but full control should > >still given to the user. Personally, I would rather just get a > >working gnome/kde installation and then use a gui selection tool rather > >than some clunky ncurses thing. Maybe we could have a very lightweight > >CLI manager that lets you select gnome, kde or just cli. If they use > >gnome or kde then we give them a slick gui manager once X starts up. If > >they use cli then they are probably setting up a server and they can deal > >with using emerge as is. > > After looking through a bunch of code I agree we should really try > >to use a lot of the existing stuff to get things started. The LiveCD > >pretty much does all the very initial stuff. After that we can use the > >cursing cow work to put together the install stage1 and part of stage2. > >For stage 3, I think we should build a python gui (wxPython?) that doesn't > >use kde or gnome specifically. This is where a lot of the experimentation > >will need to go. > > > >Whooh... What do you say? I'll be graduating in a month so I won't be > >able to work a whole lot until the summer begins, but I think we should > >try to refine this idea/design a lot before diving in and hacking out > >something that just works. > > > >Peace! > >Jeff > > > > > > On Sun, 13 Apr 2003, Alain Penders wrote: > > > > > > > >>The main installer that was being worked on is Cursing Cow. Both developers > >>that were working on it recently left Gentoo, however. > >> > >>If someone wanted to continue it's development, we probably can get the > >>information needed from them. From what I know, it's in pretty good > >>condition... part of it needed to be rewritten, but nothing major. > >> > >>There's at least one (I think two) other installers in CVS, but I have no idea > >>on their status or where they were left at. > >> > >> > >>Building a good installer goes beyond installing Gentoo. For example, if the > >>installer has a module to configure networking, that module should be written > >>so that it works in the installer, but also in an after-install system > >>configuration tool. Installers also need to be able to handle updates or > >>"corrective installs", which means integration with configuration file > >>management. > >> > >>Alain > >> > >> > >> > >>On Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 05:04:10PM -0600, Jeff Rose wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Hello, > >>> I'm pretty new to gentoo, but I am an instant convert. Just a > >>>few months of emerge bliss and now I'm an avid supporter. Anyway, I'm > >>>thinking about starting a summer project and I'm pondering the idea of a > >>>gui installer. I've been looking around a bit and it doesn't look like > >>>anyone is working on one. Is that true? If there isn't already a project > >>>then I think I'll give it a whirl. I know, I know, gentoo is so great > >>>because it allows you to customize and tweak the hell out of everything. > >>>That is completely true. So, an installer would have to allow just as > >>>much but it could take care of the mundane details for those who aren't > >>>interested or knowledgable enough. > >>> I haven't been around to see what people discuss in terms of the > >>>installer so I'm sorry if this is all stuff that you have gone over > >>>hundreds of times. Even more minimal than a gui installer, have you > >>>thought about adding more scripts to do the standard directory setup, > >>>download, chroot... type of stuff? > >>> What do you think? > >>> > >>>-Jeff > >>> > >>> > >>>-- > >>>gentoo-dev@g.o mailing list > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>-- > >>gentoo-dev@g.o mailing list > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >-- > >gentoo-dev@g.o mailing list > > > > > > > > > > -- > gentoo-dev@g.o mailing list
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