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On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 02:22:08AM +0000, Alex Tarkovsky wrote: |
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> Bryan Østergaard <kloeri <at> gentoo.org> writes: |
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> Bryan, instead of always addressing the symptoms by asking people to kindly be |
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> quiet or move things elsewhere, why don't you do something more substantive |
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> about what ails Gentoo developers? |
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> You're head of Developer Relations. That makes you partly responsible for |
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> allowing what should only be minor differences of opinion between developers |
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> (and ex-developers and users) to balloon out of control until the atmosphere |
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> around Gentoo becomes so unpleasant some developers decide it's better to quit |
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> than try to stick around and solve problems. Face it, every time that happens |
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> you've failed to do your job. |
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> By trying to silence parties involved in a disagreement you only force their |
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> differences to manifest in less desirble ways. And when that happens, things |
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> tend to get really ugly and it inevitably reflects back on Gentoo. |
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I'm not trying to silence anybody. I'm asking people to stop making |
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things worse than they already are. |
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> Also, brushing things over to private email and private blogs is not always the |
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> answer because the issues behind these disagreements often involve (and just as |
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> importantly, affect) more than 2 people. Just because Daniel Robbins might now |
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> be taking things over to his private blog doesn't mean you no longer have to |
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> deal with the issues he attempted to have a public discussion about. |
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Uhh, I never said anything like that. The only thing I said related to |
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his blog was that whatever he's going to do in the future is off-topic |
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for a gentoo development list if it doesn't involve gentoo development. |
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I think it was quite clear from the context that wasn't the case, so the |
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proper place to tell the world about all the cool things Daniels going |
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to do is his blog imo. |
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> Gentoo should provide an official venue where developers (and ex-developers and |
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> users) can talk out their disagreements, and under a few plainly spelled-out and |
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> easily enforceable guidelines designed to keep the discourse somewhat civil. |
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Somehow a lot of people seems to think banning is the only possible |
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solution. I tend to think that's a horrible idea myself and most of |
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devrel backs me up on that. If people thinks devrel is doing a horrible |
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job they can ask council to do something about it - replacing devrel or |
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whatever they'd think would solve it. |
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But as long as that hasn't happened devrel is going to work on solving |
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conflicts the best possible way according to their experience and ideas. |
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Regards, |
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Bryan Østergaard |
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