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From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@×××.net>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: minimalistic emerge
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2014 11:03:43
Message-Id: pan$a0fea$6e8fcd3c$fa696e3f$
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: minimalistic emerge by Peter Stuge
1 Peter Stuge posted on Sat, 09 Aug 2014 10:34:58 +0200 as excerpted:
3 > Duncan wrote:
4 >> Red Hat is the gold standard, very long term commercial support,
5 >> IIRC 10 years, and very good community relations
6 >
7 > I've heard this on occasion, but reality is actually quite different.
8 >
9 > Red Hat is a software service provider. They do whatever their paying
10 > customers ask for. They do not take community relations very seriously
11 > in my experience. I believe it is the job of a single person.
13 I guess I was using a rather broader definition of "community relations"
14 than that.
16 Red Hat directly employs a decent number of people working on various
17 core Linux projects, benefiting not just Red Hat but the entire Linux and
18 often the entire FLOSS (BSDs, etc included) community. That's the sort
19 of "community relations" I had in mind, not just what one or more people
20 in a single RH department do.
22 I haven't actually counted all the upstream projects they either sponsor
23 monetarily and with conferences, etc, or directly contribute employees
24 to, but it's definitely non-trivial. Were Red Hat to disappear, a lot of
25 people would be looking for other employment and a lot of conferences
26 would be looking for other high-level sponsors. Not that they couldn't
27 find it, but it's certainly leave a big hole until things settled down,
28 that's for sure.
30 Take a look at the per-release LWN kernel activity statistics, for
31 instance. Red Hat is always ranked pretty high. I know they're also
32 involved in gnome and in systemd, and believe they're involved in various
33 other projects as well. This is all community relations
34 and involvement, far ahead of what most other commercial distros provide,
35 and unlike say Ubuntu with its pretty-much Ubuntu-only Unity and Mir
36 projects (compare gnome3 and wayland), Red Hat apparently sees value in
37 working WITH the broader FLOSS community rather than going its own way.
39 In fact, their broad level of sponsorship within the community is
40 sometimes seen as driving Red Hat focus to the exclusion of other
41 distros, and indeed there may be a bit of truth to that, but compare the
42 Red Hat approach to that of Ubuntu with Mir and Unity, and I doubt you'll
43 find many wishing for more Ubuntus, while more Red Hats could only
44 benefit the community by broadening its focus and making it less
45 singularly Red Hat focused.
47 And they've always encouraged community-driven Red Hat clones as well,
48 even sponsoring CentOS now, along with Fedora, as I said earlier.
49 Compare that with say Oracle as a corporate parent and what they did to
50 the various projects they inherited from Sun, including OpenSolaris,
51, MySQL...
53 I'm not saying Red Hat doesn't have corporate profit as a motive, but
54 unlike many other corporate "friends" where the saying about who needs
55 enemies with friends like that often rings true, Red Hat has anything but
56 the "embrace and extinguish" reputation various others have gotten over
57 the years. They really /do/ seem to "get it" that a healthy FLOSS
58 community really is in their best interest as well, and their actions,
59 sponsorships and direct employee paychecks continue to demonstrate it.
61 --
62 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs.
63 "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
64 and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman


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