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Lance Albertson wrote: [Tue Jan 03 2006, 02:09:43PM CST] |
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> Sure, we've made lots of great improvements, but I'm concerned that we |
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> have too many subprojects all working in their little world and no one |
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> really looking over the whole project making sure things flow together |
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> well. There's no one out there who's responsibility is to track all |
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> these subprojects and make sure things are flowing right. |
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That's quite true. Of course, I would argue that it's true because |
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nobody has volunteered to do that job. Of course, there'd be no real |
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authority with that sort of position, since if devs don't want to work |
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on a project they probably will not do so, so all that could really be done |
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would be to have a group of people tracking the various projects and |
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encouraging or cajoling progress. That said, having either an informal |
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or formal group in that role could still be quite useful. |
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> Sigh, I get the impression that you think I wrote this email just to |
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> start another long drawn out debate. |
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No, I actually think you wrote this e-mail to voice your concerns, and |
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that your motives are pure. *Shrug* |
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> I have no worries about people actually getting things done. What I'm |
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> concerned about is that there's no true direction of where things will |
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> go. Everyone has their own way of doing something, without any kind of |
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> proper overall plan. I know the GLEP system is designed to help with |
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> that (which is it). I'm looking at more of overall direction in Gentoo, |
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> not specific things. We all have different opinions on how things should |
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> be done and nothing ever seems to be totally decided on. Sure we have |
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> the council, but I really haven't seen any direction from them on where |
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> Gentoo should go. We have debates on the mailing lists that seem to |
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> never go anywhere. Is everything that's debated on there needing to go |
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> through a GLEP, or how do such things get decided with a final say? |
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I agree with many of these statements, but I disagree to what extent |
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there's an actual problem here. Yes, there is little real "direction" |
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to Gentoo. I think that's a reality of having a mid-life volunteer |
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distribution. Our devs choose the parts of the distro that are fun for |
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them to work on, and consequently it is difficult to motivate people to |
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work towards any particular plan if that plan involves "not-fun" things. |
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As such, the best way to get something decided with a final say is to |
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provide not just an idea, but a working implementation. Then it's easy, |
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since either the implementation is good enough, or it is not. That sets |
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the bar rather high, though, so the second best method is to have a |
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strong advocate who's willing to keep slogging away at an idea. |
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> I dunno, I just get the impression that people fear having a goal to |
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> work on and would rather just let things work out in a random way (like |
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> they have been for a while now). I'm not wanting to take the fun out of |
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> this, but I feel more structure and less redtape would help make us move |
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> forward faster and better. |
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I really don't believe that fear of goals is much of a problem. I think |
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the problem, instead, is a lack of sufficiently exciting goals, and a |
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concomitant lack of people sufficiently motivated to shepherd those |
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goals to a successful conclusion. |
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I think I'll stop here, since I'm not expressing my thoughts all that |
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well. *Sigh* |
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-g2boojum- |
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-- |
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Grant Goodyear |
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Gentoo Developer |
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g2boojum@g.o |
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http://www.gentoo.org/~g2boojum |
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