Re: [gentoo-dev] Init replacement

[George Shapovalov]

I totaly agree with the choice argument. 
Then, personally I have a mixed feeling about this system. On one hand I have 
all the same arguments about introducing unnecessary dependencies, tightness 
and non-compliance (not that our present way is completely "compliant", but 
this one is much further away.).
On the other hand this is quite a nice approach to automation of init scripts 
handling and looks to be a clean way to parallelize the process. The former 
should allow creation of nicely looking front ends for init sequence 
manipulation, which even a newbie user should be able to apply for simplistic 
manipulation, but that should also allow a more involved edits for the 
inclined user.

This makes me think, that both approaches have a room to existance as they are 
targeting diferent situations (namely small goal-specific systems, where 
tightness and hands-on controll are a must vs desktop and ease-of-abuse).
Thus the only sensible way of going about adding this to gentoo I see is to 
create a new (experimental) profile.

Wouter: this apparently requires:
1. impementation to stabilize
2. finding large enough group of interested people, who would provide support 
and maintaince to the profile (and this is apparently pointless without some 
backing on a user side)
3. appropriate packaging of all related software, so that it could be 
effectively handled by the profile..

As you see not too small amount of work ;), but who knows, may be some time 
this will become more popular than our present way?

George


On Friday 02 May 2003 13:34, Joshua Brindle wrote:
> >On Fri, May 02, 2003 at 10:08:03AM -0700, Jon Kent wrote:
> >It's not a proposal to change Gentoo's default init-system (or at least I
> >hope so). I fully support the OP with his work because one can never know
> >what it provides untill it's available.
> >
> >So, keep up the development.
>
> I agree. Everyone here should know very well that gentoo is about
> choices. We provide the user with choices every opportunity we have,
> though some places it's difficult to do. When a choice presents itself
> don't scrutinize it, we do not ever attempt to lock users into a single
> solution, and we make every attempt to provide as many choices as possible.
>
> On the subject of init scripts, I recall having a conversation with seemant
> about this init system which used tree based dependancies and could start
> init scripts simaltaeneously if their dependancy trees didn't collide (for
> faster bootups), does this solution provide this? we'd really like to get
> something that will take some of the overhead out of the init system...
>
> Joshua Brindle


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