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On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 06:59:02 -0800 Brian Harring <ferringb@×××××.com> |
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> > as evidenced by |
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> > every previous time you've gotten involved with anything I've done, |
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> > and given how badly you tried to screw up GLEP 42 and how much of |
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> > my time you wasted doing so, I really don't want to deal with your |
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> > noise ever again. |
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> Save the adhominem kindly; may not like the fact that at the time you |
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> had to put forth proposals I had a say on it, but thats the way it |
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> was. |
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It's only ad hominem when it's irrelevant to the discussion. Since the |
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discussion is whether or not you have anything useful to contribute, |
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it's not ad hominem. An example of what would be ad hominem in this |
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situation is saying that you can't contribute because you wear women's |
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underwear. |
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> Further, the glep42 changes *were* intended to make it saner for |
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> portage to support, not just your manager. |
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The changes were irrelevant for Paludis -- supporting multiple |
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repositories or not is approximately three lines of code difference. |
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The changes were, however, hugely relevant for the GLEP. Thanks to you, |
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the GLEP had to include a whole bunch of new requirements for the |
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package manager that have absolutely nothing to do with delivering news |
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items to the end user -- and they're requirements Portage will probably |
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never meet. |
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> > You also have a lot to gain by wrecking the process, |
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> I gain zero by wrecking the process. Time for another history |
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> lesson... |
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> Friendly reminder, the only reason EAPI=0 is even being possible is |
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> because *I* added EAPI, against a fair bit of arguing at the time |
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> also. |
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As I recall, the arguments (at least the sensible, well grounded ones) |
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were over it being done via an environment variable, which highly |
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limits the scope of possible changes. The suffix alternative doesn't |
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have that or any other kind of arbitrary limit. |
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> Intention was for the format to evolve (add in bits stated in |
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> the other email that couldn't be done without breaking things). None |
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> of the real features folks have asked for can be added without EAPI=0 |
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> defined, thus *I* have an interest in it getting finished. |
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Sure they can. Define EAPI 1 in terms of what it changes from existing |
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practice. |
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> Yes, you may dislike the form EAPI took. Point is, kindly don't |
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> claim I have anything to gain by blocking the process *I* started. |
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Except that blocking PMS blocks the competition, and you've already |
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shown that you're quite happy to resort to any means at your disposal |
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to do so. |
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> Don't like your behaviour, and can get pissed off, but that |
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> doesn't justify the attack. Besides, public ml is the wrong place |
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> for it. |
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No, a public ML is entirely the right place for it. |
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Here's how this thing works: |
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* Some people who don't have anything better to do start posting |
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attacks on PMS because they hate spb or myself. Flameeyes was the first |
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offender here -- it suited him politically to claim that spb never does |
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anything, so naturally repeatedly demanding PMS updates was the way to |
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go. |
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* A bunch of people who don't know what PMS is jump in and add to the |
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noise. Some of them think they're being helpful, some of them just want |
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to play with cool toys, and some of them |
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* Any claim by any of these people, no matter how absurd, left |
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unrefuted, is taken to be evidence that PMS has failed. |
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So yes, someone has to sit down and respond to all this idiocy, and |
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they have to do it in public. If it's left unchecked, PMS is taken to be |
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a failure. |
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In the mean time, trying to keep on top of this particular batch of |
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noise has amounted to about the time taken to write one and a half |
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chapters. So, if people really do care about PMS being finished, I |
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suggest they sit back and wait for a public review copy. |
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-- |
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Ciaran McCreesh |
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Mail : ciaranm at ciaranm.org |
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Web : http://ciaranm.org/ |
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Paludis, the secure package manager : http://paludis.pioto.org/ |