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From: Dan Meltzer <parallelgrapefruit@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:37:42
Message-Id: 46059ce10511010420s7410e79odeee7cb43189be84@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting by Georgi Georgiev
1 Two things.
2
3 One, if users run --sync in a cronjob, which many do, this preemptive
4 goes out the window.
5
6 Two, an alternative to that, if we are all recoding portage anyways :)
7 Have portage place a special note next to any items with relevent
8 news when -a or -p is passed, and then, emerge --news cat/package
9 could show relvent stuff, or --news to see it all.
10
11 On 11/1/05, Georgi Georgiev <chutz@×××.net> wrote:
12 > maillog: 01/11/2005-11:45:08(+0100): Jakub Moc types
13 > > 1.11.2005, 11:00:22, Thierry Carrez wrote:
14 > >
15 > > > Aren't those messages displayed after the damage is done ? Typical use
16 > :
17 > >
18 > > > - emerge --sync run as a daily cron job
19 > > > - emerge -a mysql
20 > > > - great, a new version is there. Typing "Yes"
21 > > > - system gets borken
22 > > > - emerge spits out message saying 14 files need updating and there is 1
23 > > > unread news item
24 > >
25 > > > I'm probably missing something here. Please elaborate on how this GLEP
26 > > > meets the "Preemptive" design goal...
27 > >
28 > >
29 > > I'm probably missing something obvious here, because I can't see why
30 > *existing*
31 > > emerge --changelog code cannot be recycled for this feature to display
32 > upgrade
33 > > messages when running emerge -uDav world...
34 >
35 > That reminds me of the idea to stick tags in the ChangeLog:
36 > http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.dev/msg/8f2dc84619be5c5b?fwc=1
37 >
38 > But still, I'm guessing the idea of "--news" is to tell people that they
39 > need to do something A.S.A.P. This means as soon as the news are
40 > obtained, and the users are nagged about the news on *every invocation
41 > of emerge*, similar to the /etc messages, and not only when they decide
42 > to install some package, which is when --changelog kicks in.
43 >
44 > And then, I am not sure why glsa-check cannot do the same job...
45 >
46 > --
47 > () Georgi Georgiev () Computers are unreliable, but humans are ()
48 > () chutz@×××.net () even more unreliable. Any system which ()
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