Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Help offered - Portage tree

[Luca Barbato]

davecode@××××××××××.net wrote:
> Well I'm a newcomer to Gentoo and never heard of Sabayon (great project
> btw).  Knowing no one here or there, nor any history:

great never heard project... Smells troll or dumb fan.

> This conversation reminds me of Human Resources.  They always have
> 'procedures' and 'career tracks.'  Gentoo's chitchat about earning gold
> stars and brownie points is giving me HR sickness.  You're asking
> Michael Jordan to prove himself on the high school team.

Empty rhetoric.

> I've read Gentoo's new dev announcements about monkeys and paper
> weights.  People with a couple of small open-source projects.  The
> monkeys and paper weights get CVS rights.  Then the chief architect of
> Sabayon is scotched over bugzilla output?  Please.  That smells like bad
> fish.

No, any people is welcome to contribute to gentoo, as long rules are 
respected. IFF you want to be a dev, you MUST do the quizzes. It takes 
about one day (5 hours) to do them all if you want.

> When someone as expert as this offers help, take it and make him a fast
> lane.

Nobody proved us he is an expert. You shouldn't assume.

> He is worth ten bugzillas.

Are they in the same tune of internets?

> Like a scientist once told me - it would be inefficient for him to clean
> his office, they have janitors for that.

Bad example and non consequential. (BTW: pigs do not count as scientists)

> Bugzillas are broken and most Linux people know it.

Issue tracking is the _ONLY_ way to make sure at least you know what is 
going on.

> Ubuntu has hundreds of bugs sitting around for years and years.

And? We aren't Ubuntu, yet knowing that you have long opened bugs is way 
better than being oblivious about them (and nothing is preventing others 
to propose fixes)

> Personally: I have stopped filing bugzillas at various places.

Please quit as well exploiting our software.

> Projects organized around bugzillas are inefficient.

Care to backing up this claim? Issue tracking is needed.

> Bugzillas are mostly good for non-devs to report bugs.  I know zero
> developers who first think to themselves, "ok, I need a project
> bugzilla...then I can begin writing code."  That isn't how development
> works.

You aren't a developer, for LScube I FIRST set up git roundup(it's an 
issue tracker like bugzilla) and a completely new website, then I 
managed to get mailing lists and irc channel.

> "So you don't have time to file bugs but you would have time to fix
> them" is rhetoric.  The issue is ROI.  Why file bugzillas that some
> "dev" authority figure may or may not fix in two years, when you can fix
> the code yourself?

You aren't following... IFF you want to be a dev you apply for it like 
any other guy interested. IFF you want a bug fixed you report it 
properly using the tools for that: bugzilla.

> If you want to call him a Gentoo developer, then do so ASAP, and give
> him CVS.  He knows what he is doing and filing bugzillas is a waste of
> talent.  If you let him fix his own bugzillas he might go for that.

You aren't supposed to know anything since you:
- are a gentoo newcomer (welcome btw)
- you don't know anything about Sabayon

> Gentoo needs the manpower and blowing it off with HR excuses is really,
> really dumb.

Informed judgments are better, isn't it.

> I can hardly believe what I'm reading.

Me too.

> It makes me want to cry.

Take a tissue.

> Maybe I should help Sabayon deploy on PowerPC instead of writing to you guys.

You are free to do whatever you want.

> I don't really care who misunderstood whom, or who has an attitude problem.
> There needs to be a red carpet for people like this.

NO, he managed to piss off MOST of the developers, he hadn't prove 
himself to us beside being a legend on #gentoo-releng, he exploited our 
work giving headaches back like people lying about their setup on bugzilla.

> I would not care if he had a 666 on his head.

I'm not discussing his fashion tastes.

> You need to attract people like this and if bugzilla isn't working,
> think up something new.

No, we don't need people rushing solutions that may or may not be:
- half backed
- clashing with the Gentoo way (the 3-4 things that make working with 
Gentoo different than working on say... Debian rebuilding apt packages)

> If you dislike his CVS mods you can always revert, take votes, etc.  But
> I say +1 let him have at it.

Doesn't work like that, our cvs must be stable, you have a relatively 
narrow window between syncs to the mirrors and if you make a mistake and 
don't fix it within that time, users will suffer.

lu

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Luca Barbato
Gentoo Council Member
Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC
http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

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