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From: Ben de Groot <yngwin@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead?
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 20:17:31
Message-Id: x2he117dbb91004101317y974d2b76u9becf8145e175e47@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead? by Denis Dupeyron
1 On 10 April 2010 21:27, Denis Dupeyron <calchan@g.o> wrote:
2 > Ben,
3 >
4 > Petteri was proposing an idea. He is being creative
5
6 You call that creative? It seems you don't know what the word means.
7
8 > You, on the other hand, have lately been increasingly critical (which
9 > is good) but not constructively. You obviously have a lot of energy
10 > but at no point have you offered your contribution. You haven't
11 > offered to help the teams you've been criticizing and you haven't
12 > proposed any real idea (website redesign, recruiters).
13
14 I guess I was hallucinating that I started the wiki project, which has
15 been a popular request for as long as I can remember. I guess I
16 imagined I worked together with Markos to start the proxy-maintainer
17 project to improve visibility of that option to contribute. And I must
18 have been dreaming that I sent a mail about forming a team to review
19 and renew the recruitment process and curriculum. I must be mistaken
20 in thinking I have proposed to centralize all developer documentation
21 into one place. Oh, and forgive me for not publicly announcing that I
22 sent a mail to the dormant webteam about joining and offering my help.
23 And asking for leadership on issues that affect Gentoo on a wider
24 scale is not constructive?
25
26 Or maybe you are wrong about those things. Maybe you are not noticing
27 my contributions?
28
29 > Also you're
30 > criticizing without knowing what is happening when the information is
31 > publicly available (you're asking for a discussion on the metadata
32 > idea and it was a topic last month,
33
34 It is exactly because I know what council decided about the metadata
35 idea that I spoke up and asked for a reconsideration, giving some (in
36 my eyes) good arguments as to why you should. But I guess your reading
37 comprehension isn't that stellar either.
38
39 > the devrel issue is being tackled and it started before your rant).
40
41 To my knowledge there was no public announcement about that, other
42 than that we have another lead now.
43
44 > Credibility is among these things which take a long and hard work to
45 > build up and can completely blow up at any time.
46
47 Indeed. And you have now completely blown yours.
48
49 I am still hoping for a better Gentoo and volunteering to make that
50 happen. I hope you do too. So step up to the task and be a real
51 leader, which is what you were elected to do. Or, if you are unable or
52 unwilling to do so, step down and make room for somebody else who is
53 more qualified for the job.
54
55 --
56 Ben de Groot
57 Gentoo Qt project lead developer
58 Gentoo Wiki project lead

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Who is willing to be lead? "Petteri Räty" <betelgeuse@g.o>