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From: Kevyn Shortell <trance@g.o>
To: Brad Laue <brad@g.o>
Cc: gentoo-dev@g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] reason for dhcpcd in system profile ?
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:41:45
Message-Id: 1061757692.6762.49.camel@localhost
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] reason for dhcpcd in system profile ? by Brad Laue
1 On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 08:09, Brad Laue wrote:
3 > Bell Canada's Sympatico service started out as the driving force behind
4 > the development of PPPoE clients under Linux, and the past two releases
5 > of both Mandrake and RedHat have in fact included built-in support and
6 > configuration frontends that enable a user to get online with minimal
7 > hassle.
9 While it's a popular favorite of Canada, I know a lot of people in the
10 US who aren't as fond of it as you are. And Mandrake and RedHat also
11 include dhcp client support. I'm not saying rip out pppoe. I'm saying we
12 should include what is required to get someone on the net as part of the
13 base system. Thats ANY network. Not just Canada's PPPoE network.
15 > Re: the sanity of choosing DHCP over PPPoE, the main perceived drawback
16 > is the dynamic IP. This is a management issue - PPPoE is as capable of
17 > delivering a static IP to the user as standard PPP is. As for
18 > encapsulation overhead, 1meg and 3meg service render this unnoticeable
19 > to the user (it may perhaps be 'less efficient' from a purist
20 > standpoint, but these are residential connections we're talking about).
22 Never cared why they chose it. If you want to go the technical purist
23 standpoint, PPPoE is the spawn of satan. If it works for the customer
24 however, I don't see an issue. The whole if it works use it thing. =)
25 >
26 > At any rate, seeing as both PPPoE and DHCP are not as universal as
27 > ethernet (which requires the presence of such utilities as ifconfig in
28 > the basic system), and are both really fast emerges, wouldn't they
29 > contribute to a nice small base system? They seem more reasonable
30 > choices than some of the other suggestions I'm seeing.
32 I would still have to disagree. Most places I've worked at, or school
33 at, still used DCHP on ethernet. I've only ever had to use PPPoE once.
34 Only one place I've ever worked at handed out static IP's internally to
35 employees, there is no need. DHCP works perfectly in that enviroment.
36 >
37 > > I agree that pruning the base system is probably a good idea, but why
38 > > look at basic network components that atleast half of our users require
39 > > in order to get their machine on the net?
40 >
41 > Because they're options, and options are not defaults. :P
43 Your right, networking is an option, I hadn't realized that. Thank you
44 for pointing it out. Lets just rip out ifconfig, dhcpcd, pppoe, and tell
45 everyone to use GRP CD's cause that fad called a network is dead.
47 >
48 > Brad
50 Kevyn


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