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From: Sven Eden <sven.eden@×××.de>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:40:32
Message-Id: 2025546.kUsOG8kO3X@sed-notebook
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr by Ian Stakenvicius
1 Am Mittwoch, 25. September 2013, 11:39:20 schrieb Ian Stakenvicius:
2 > On 25/09/13 11:27 AM, Sven Eden wrote:
3 > > Am Mittwoch, 25. September 2013, 11:05:24 schrieb Ian
4 > >
5 > > Stakenvicius:
6 > >> On 25/09/13 10:51 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
7 > >>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Ian Stakenvicius
8 > >>> <axs@g.o>
9 > >>>
10 > >>> wrote:
11 > >>>> William, I think what Tom was mentioning here is that he
12 > >>>> thinks a one-sentence answering the "Why" would be a good
13 > >>>> idea to have in the news item, so users that don't have a
14 > >>>> clue on all of these sep-/usr issues will get an idea of why
15 > >>>> the change is being made.
16 > >>>
17 > >>> How about something like: Due to many upstream changes
18 > >>> properly supporting a separate /usr without an initramfs has
19 > >>> become increasingly difficult - despite all our efforts it
20 > >>> already breaks in some exotic configurations, and this is a
21 > >>> trend likely to grow worse.
22 > >>>
23 > >>> Rich
24 > >>
25 > >> How about changing "[properly] supporting a separate /usr without
26 > >> an initramfs" to "supporting a system with /usr missing at boot
27 > >> time" ? More generic, indicates the actual problem better.
28 > >> Otherwise sounds great to me.
29 > >
30 > > Maybe some links to articles that explain *why* the so called
31 > > "UsrMerge" was needed/done would be a good idea.
32 >
33 > This isn't UsrMerge tho. I think bring that discussion into the news
34 > item would probably be going too far beyond its intended scope.
35
36 Yes, of course. It is just that the mentioned upstream changes are because of
37 the merge, meaning boot relevant stuff is installed in /usr instead of /.
38
39 >
40 > [ Snip the rest ]
41 >
42 > Documentation suggesting a separate /usr isn't necessary (or rather,
43 > probably, is only necessary for certain things, like /usr-on-NFS or
44 > LVM-without-ROOT or crypto-/usr ) does make sense in general but
45 > probably that discussion would be better done in the Handbook (or
46 > linked to by the Handbook) rather than in the news item.
47
48 Yes, maybe the references about why upstream did/does change belongs on a wiki
49 page or something like that.

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