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On 02/14/20 11:14, Matt Turner wrote: |
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> On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 12:31 AM Sam Jorna (wraeth) <wraeth@g.o> wrote: |
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>> In this instance, at least two people (myself included) have drawn an |
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>> impression that led them to voice their concern in some way (I'm unsure if |
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>> mpagano was voicing concern or just agreeing with the general concept). Maybe |
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>> we're the only ones. Maybe not. |
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> What do you think the threshold should be? If one person objects, |
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> should ComRel cease and desist? Two? Should we have a Gentoo-wide |
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> vote? |
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How many people objecting to your handling of a situation would it take |
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for you to consider that you might have handled it in a less than ideal |
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manner? Two? Three? Do we need unanimous declaration by all holders of |
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@gentoo.org e-mail addresses, including yourself, before you even |
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consider it? |
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> I don't have the highest opinion of ComRel and I'm a member, but maybe |
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> you could let us do our jobs? |
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Given that I am not your therapist, I am going to consider this comment |
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from an objective perspective not en emotional one. Given that you |
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"don't have the highest opinion of ComRel", that implies rather strongly |
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that you do not consider ComRel to be competent. Given that you are |
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still a member, that implies that either (1) you consider yourself to |
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not be the least competent member of ComRel (presumably of basic |
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competence), or (2) you are a member specifically to attempt to gain |
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such competence. In the former case, perhaps consider undertaking |
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training of those less competent than you (thereby improving your |
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opinion of ComRel as a whole), in the latter do kindly avoid undertaking |
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actions that you are not competent in. |
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As for the "maybe you could let us do our jobs?" part of that comment, |
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this appears to be a distinctly worrying trend among "special" projects |
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in Gentoo. Proctors now openly refuse to actually undertake their |
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mandate because they face the existential horror of negative feedback |
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when they make outlandishly perverse claims. ComRel now insists, by |
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implication, that while it is by the description of at least one member |
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openly incompetent, feedback is unwelcome at best. Even QA has made |
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similar sorts of empty appeals to their own authority, while also |
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refusing to actually argue their case. None of these should be at all |
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acceptable, yet somehow this nonsense is largely left uncontested for |
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reasons that escape me entirely, If you cannot adequately "do [y]our |
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job", consider that perhaps you should not be doing it in the first place. |
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