Gentoo Archives: gentoo-dev

From: desultory <desultory@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o, Matt Turner <mattst88@g.o>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 04:47:08
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] app-admin/kube-bench: convert to go-module go.sum by Matt Turner
1 On 02/14/20 11:14, Matt Turner wrote:
2 > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 12:31 AM Sam Jorna (wraeth) <wraeth@g.o> wrote:
3 >> In this instance, at least two people (myself included) have drawn an
4 >> impression that led them to voice their concern in some way (I'm unsure if
5 >> mpagano was voicing concern or just agreeing with the general concept). Maybe
6 >> we're the only ones. Maybe not.
7 >
8 > What do you think the threshold should be? If one person objects,
9 > should ComRel cease and desist? Two? Should we have a Gentoo-wide
10 > vote?
11 >
12 How many people objecting to your handling of a situation would it take
13 for you to consider that you might have handled it in a less than ideal
14 manner? Two? Three? Do we need unanimous declaration by all holders of
15 e-mail addresses, including yourself, before you even
16 consider it?
18 > I don't have the highest opinion of ComRel and I'm a member, but maybe
19 > you could let us do our jobs?
20 >
21 >
22 Given that I am not your therapist, I am going to consider this comment
23 from an objective perspective not en emotional one. Given that you
24 "don't have the highest opinion of ComRel", that implies rather strongly
25 that you do not consider ComRel to be competent. Given that you are
26 still a member, that implies that either (1) you consider yourself to
27 not be the least competent member of ComRel (presumably of basic
28 competence), or (2) you are a member specifically to attempt to gain
29 such competence. In the former case, perhaps consider undertaking
30 training of those less competent than you (thereby improving your
31 opinion of ComRel as a whole), in the latter do kindly avoid undertaking
32 actions that you are not competent in.
34 As for the "maybe you could let us do our jobs?" part of that comment,
35 this appears to be a distinctly worrying trend among "special" projects
36 in Gentoo. Proctors now openly refuse to actually undertake their
37 mandate because they face the existential horror of negative feedback
38 when they make outlandishly perverse claims. ComRel now insists, by
39 implication, that while it is by the description of at least one member
40 openly incompetent, feedback is unwelcome at best. Even QA has made
41 similar sorts of empty appeals to their own authority, while also
42 refusing to actually argue their case. None of these should be at all
43 acceptable, yet somehow this nonsense is largely left uncontested for
44 reasons that escape me entirely, If you cannot adequately "do [y]our
45 job", consider that perhaps you should not be doing it in the first place.