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davecode@××××××××××.net kirjoitti: |
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> Well I'm a newcomer to Gentoo and never heard of Sabayon (great project |
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> btw). Knowing no one here or there, nor any history: |
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Never heard of and you say it's a great project? |
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> This conversation reminds me of Human Resources. They always have |
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> 'procedures' and 'career tracks.' Gentoo's chitchat about earning gold |
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> stars and brownie points is giving me HR sickness. You're asking |
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> Michael Jordan to prove himself on the high school team. |
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You don't know Sabayon and can evaluate the skills of lxnay? |
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> I've read Gentoo's new dev announcements about monkeys and paper |
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> weights. People with a couple of small open-source projects. The |
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> monkeys and paper weights get CVS rights. Then the chief architect of |
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> Sabayon is scotched over bugzilla output? Please. That smells like bad |
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> fish. |
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The new dev announcements are traditionally written in a funky way. |
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> Bugzillas are mostly good for non-devs to report bugs. I know zero |
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> developers who first think to themselves, "ok, I need a project |
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> bugzilla...then I can begin writing code." That isn't how development |
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But I don't know any major project not having a bug reporting tool. |
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> "So you don't have time to file bugs but you would have time to fix |
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> them" is rhetoric. The issue is ROI. Why file bugzillas that some |
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> "dev" authority figure may or may not fix in two years, when you can fix |
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> the code yourself? |
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The perception of things rottening in bugzilla hasn't been proven. Here |
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are the response times to bug filed by lxnay in 2007 and 2008: |
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https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160333 |
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* first response in two days (and marked as WONTFIX but later reopened) |
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* interactions could be better on either sides |
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https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=188024 |
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* Fixed in two days |
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https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=192786 |
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* Fixed in 7 hours after patch submission |
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https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193337 |
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* Your "expert" is missing basic ebuild knowledge --> WORKSFORME |
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* 9 minutes |
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https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199886 |
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* little under two months (yes this is too long) |
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https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=211324 |
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* Been open a couple of weeks waiting for other changes (borderline) |
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We do have lots of stuff that rot in bugzilla in many cases they are |
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requests for new ebuilds and not problems with existing ebuilds. |
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> If you want to call him a Gentoo developer, then do so ASAP, and give |
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> him CVS. He knows what he is doing and filing bugzillas is a waste of |
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> talent. If you let him fix his own bugzillas he might go for that. |
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There is nothing stopping him from taking the quizzes as any other new |
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dev. If he is as good say you he is, answering the quizzes won't take long. |
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> You need to attract people like this and if bugzilla isn't working, |
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> think up something new. |
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Bugzilla isn't the only way new people come in. |
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> If you dislike his CVS mods you can always revert, take votes, etc. But |
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> I say +1 let him have at it. |
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Very useful after it has already been synced to tons of machines and |
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users are hitting our IRC channels with torches. |
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Regards, |
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Petteri |
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