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Hi, |
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On 2020/08/08 22:57, William Hubbs wrote: |
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> On Sat, Aug 08, 2020 at 09:17:20PM +0100, Roy Bamford wrote: |
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>> On 2020.08.08 19:51, William Hubbs wrote: |
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>>> All, |
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>>> |
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>>> I would like to propose that we switch the default udev provider on |
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>>> new |
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>>> systems from eudev to udev. |
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>>> |
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>>> This is not a lastrites, and it will not affect current systems since |
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>>> they have to migrate manually. Also, this change can be overridden at |
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>>> the profile level if some profile needs eudev (the last time I |
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>>> checked, |
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>>> this applies to non-glibc configurations). |
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>>> |
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>>> What do people think? |
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>>> |
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>>> Thanks, |
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>>> |
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>>> William |
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>>> |
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>>> |
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>> |
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>> William, |
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>> With the declared aim from upstream of making udev inseparable from |
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>> systemd, its not something to be done lightly. |
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>> That's the entire reason that eudev was necessary. |
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> Eudev never became necessary unless you are using a non-glibc system, |
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> and as I said, this can be handled in the profiles. |
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> Udev runs completely fine without systemd, so I fail to see how eudev |
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> is necessary for most of Gentoo. |
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It actually works is enough reason for me. Was forced to migrate a |
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bunch of systems not six months back from systemd-udev to eudev because |
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systemd-udev is absolutely terrible w.r.t. race conditions resulting in |
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lockups that kept forcing us into manual intervention situations. |
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Mostly on systems with LVM. |
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I'm completely against the proposal. |
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>> I would want some convincing that it was not another step on the road |
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>> to Gentoo being assimilated by systemd. |
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>> We had this discussion several years ago when the default became |
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>> eudev. What's changed? |
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> If systemd folks do make udev inseparable from systemd, then we would |
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> need eudev to be the default, but as I see it right now, there is not |
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> a case for it being the default. |
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Other than that it works and the systemd version does not. Might be |
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configuration dependent, but I don't expect a default udev |
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configuration/system side to not cause LVM breakages when running |
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commands as simple as "lvs". eudev in coparison just works. |
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> Another thing to consider is bus factor (eudev is maintained by one |
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> person primarily, so I have doubts about its viability as the default. |
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Yes, this is a problem. |
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Kind Regards, |
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Jaco |
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