Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

[Patrick Lauer]

On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 09:42 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
> Chris Gianelloni wrote:
>
> > Really, I don't have any vision for Gentoo and I like it that way.
> Amazing words to come from Gentoo's release manager. We might as well
> call our releases 'maintenance updates' then if thats the case.
I guess we're at a point where many parts "just work" - I still have 
some ideas where Gentoo could be improved, but if Chris doesn't and
prefers to do some cat-herding I support him in his lack of vision ;-)

After all, without some level of QA / "managment" all those visions will
end in half-assed prototypes that almost work, but don't do much.
The mundane tasks of keeping the wheels greased so that others can
experiment around shouldn't be dismissed like that ...

> I give up on this whole thread. I was hoping people would see past the
> automatic "OMG!! We can't have a leader because it would restrict what I
> can do!" mentality. But apparently that isn't the case here.
You know as well as I do that any leader will only have a nominal
position
and most devs will just do what they want, bypassing such a person 
whenever necessary. So for now we should focus on how to coordinate our
goals - if we agree that a "leader" is needed, why not, but we should
find out if that is even needed. 
>  Yes, we
> didn't have the best experience with previous attempts at having some
> kind of a leader. And automatically thinking that it'll turn into a
> corporate bureaucratic mess is also incorrect. If you can open up your
> mind and see past those automatic assumptions and see the value it would
> be amazing.
But it's already getting too bureaucratic ;-)
It's getting more and more difficult to get things done, more and more 
people / groups / herds to wait on to decide "obvious" things.

> Anyways, as I said. I give up on this getting anywhere.
That's the spirit. (just kidding, but it is kinda funny)

I noticed that Gentoo seems to have this cycle where all 3 months or so
the same theme comes up, causes a long discussion and then goes nowhere.
And then stuff does happen - maybe it's not obvious, but we're not yet
Debian ;-)

For example - our baselayout supports UML and vServer (almost fully)
native. Most of you won't see that, but to those that do it's something
that's really nice. 

wkr,
Patrick

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