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This thread has been going on too long. |
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The way I see it, there are two sides to this: Those who want SSP on by |
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default, and those who don't. The question is, who has the better proposal? |
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The answer is neither do. |
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I'm an SSP user, having used it more or less since I first heard about it from |
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solar. I use it on x86 and sparc64, and have had absolutely no problems with |
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it. I don't use it on mips because mips is still a bit of an experimental |
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arch. We've got three ABIs to deal with, and because SSP changes code |
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generation just a little, there is always the possibility of something weird |
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going on. That doesn't mean, however, that we'll never use it on mips. |
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The problem inherent with SSP, however, is it doesn't get alot of attention. |
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That is, few users truly know about it. This is largely why users don't |
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actively use it, and why some are wary of using it. Even those that know of |
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it sometimes don't know how it works (which is me to some extent). |
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The solution, as I see it, is not to forcefully turn it on or turn it off |
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automatically on a distro-wide scale, but rather to educate users about it, |
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what it does, and why it can be beneficial. How this is done is really not my |
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area, probably it deserves its own section in the Handbook, maybe we should |
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drop a rather noticeable bit in the make.confs for archs it is fully tested on. |
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I do believe SSP to be a good thing, and one that should be used whenever |
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possible, but Gentoo is about choice. Turning on SSP by default goes against |
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that choice, which is probably why some oppose SSP quite a bit. So rather |
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than have this thread carry on about the pros and cons of SSP, how about |
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someone cook up a unidiff against the make.conf's of know working archs (i.e., |
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x86 & sparc64), and a unidiff against our docs that gives SSP the appropriate |
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coverage and education it deserves. It probably doesn't fully address what |
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either side wants, but it's something alot more productive than arguing about it. |
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--Kumba |
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"Such is oft the course of deeds that move the wheels of the world: small |
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hands do them because they must, while the eyes of the great are elsewhere." |
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--Elrond |
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