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On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 09:50 +0100, Stuart Herbert wrote: |
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> Hi Donnie, |
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Lots of interesting material in this thread, and I haven't come close to |
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processing it all. I am briefly responding to two of Stuart's points |
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just to try to cut off further attempts to recall history. For those of |
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you who want controversy, I'm afraid I'm going to disappoint you, |
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because I am just going to say "yes, I was there and you have it |
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right." :) |
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> > Around the same time, more cries of "Democracy!" and "Eliminate the |
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> > cabal!" forced developer relations (devrel) to come up with a huge, |
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> > bureaucratic, court-like system for disciplining pretty much the same |
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> > group of people again. |
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> That's not how I remember it. The court-like system was a direct |
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> consequence to the way that Ciaran's first suspension was handled. |
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> Plenty of folks felt that the way it was done left a very bad taste in |
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> the mouth, and the system that followed was an attempt to address |
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> those genuine problems. |
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This is correct. |
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> > Everyone treated it like a world of extremes of |
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> > good and evil, where democracy is absolutely good and purity, and |
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> > anything other than that is evil. This added bureaucracy has essentially |
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> > rendered this side of devrel powerless, meaningless and useless. |
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> I'm not sure how you can justify that statement. To the best of my |
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> knowledge, that system has only been tested in full the once - when |
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> Brian was suspended from the project and Ciaran was expelled. |
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This is also correct. The procedure turned out to be very hard to |
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implement in practice, and I accept responsibility for some of the |
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difficulties. However, we (devrel) did use it successfully with results |
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as Stuart remembers. |
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Since then, we have examined the conflict resolution policy pretty |
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carefully, and policy is under revision. I do not believe the revised |
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policy is posted yet, but if we ever need to use such a process again, |
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it should move fairly but more quickly. |
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> Best regards, |
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> Stu |
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> PS: Isn't it fascinating how different folks can live through the same |
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> events, but end up with different perspectives on it? :) |
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Regards, |
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Ferris |
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Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) <fmccor@g.o> |
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Developer, Gentoo Linux (Devrel, Sparc) |
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