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From: Alec Warner <antarus@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 00:45:50
Message-Id: 44EF992F.6050408@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Democracy: No silver bullet by Alec Warner
1 > PORTAGE:
2 > Portage developers are afraid to put anything new in the tree for fear
3 > of breaking things (and somewhat rightly so). But as noted, it also
4 > means you get new stuff very infrequently.
5 >
6 > I think the portage team has either done a poor job of bringing their
7 > issues to the table; or the community has done a poor job addressing them.
8 >
9
10 So Brian Harring poked me on irc a bit, and I will expand upon this a bit.
11
12 This is not to say that the portage team does nothing (many members do
13 very little in terms of raw code, myself included which is why I left
14 the project). Features get written, bugs get fixed, new versions get
15 released. However there are what I would call key requirements that
16 Gentoo (the community and developers) require. These requirements are
17 not getting met by the portage team.
18
19 The common point against this is "developers do what we want, we
20 volunteer"..etc. I would think at this statement the community would
21 look for new team members (recruit) those able to complete the features
22 that are required. You can't bitch at a team that doesn't implement the
23 things that are required. However, you can't depend on a team like that
24 either. That would be like me going to the and making a reasonable
25 request and then being told that "they can't do that they are only
26 volunteers, and hell, it doesn't interest me." The Portage Team should
27 have a duty to the community in this regard.
28
29 In the end I get a realization that a core team is a better idea than I
30 initially thought. While in some cases turning down a request based on
31 "I'm a volunteer" is a reasonable request, there are areas where this is
32 not a good thing to have happen (Infra, recruiting, PR to some extent,
33 core-utilities).
34
35 I don't really want to criticize the portage team, it's filled with a
36 bunch of very knowledgeable folks. However I don't think the team as it
37 stands now is helping Gentoo as a whole. It is (as Ciaran mentioned
38 earlier in this thread) only holding Gentoo back.
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