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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:39:31 -0500 Brian Harring <ferringb@g.o> |
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| Each has a role, don't blur the AT definition into ebuild devs unless |
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| you've after eliminating AT positions (something I doubt going by |
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| your previous QA threads); if you're after that, state so please. |
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Not at all. I'd like it much more if every new potential tree developer |
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had to go through a phase of being an AT (or an equivalent role for |
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doing ebuild development). It's a great way to find out whether people |
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are *really* going to be good as a developer. |
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| Your metric frankly is rather vague. Come up with one applicable to |
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| AT's rather then vague terms impying AT's are not of the 'elite' |
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| ebuild dev standard please. |
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Bah, it's not elitism. It's a matter of experience. |
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| IOW, nail down your metric, then apply it to the existing AT's (since |
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| they are what we have to work with), and then re-raise your views |
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| that they "don't know what they're doing". |
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Uh, that isn't my view. My view is that if they aren't yet experienced |
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enough to have tree commit access then they're not yet experienced |
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enough to vote. |
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This is entirely separate from other developer roles. There's more than |
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one way to become an experienced developer, some of which don't involve |
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touching the tree. |
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| > An arch tester has not committed himself to the project for the same |
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| > length of time as a full developer. |
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| This is mild BS, since it's a common issue to all classes of gentoo |
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| volunteers. Further, stats provided (as were requested) I'd posit |
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| are actually better then ebuild dev stats, although worth noting the |
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| sampling period differs. |
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Try comparing it against the stats for the first month or two of every |
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ebuild dev. |
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| > Uhm... Different people have different skill levels. Some of this is |
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| > down to natural ability, some of it is down to experience. Arch |
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| > testers have not yet proven themselves. Full developers have (at |
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| > least in theory...). |
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| Not much for the natural ability bit/elitist stuff; the question is |
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| what they've demonstrated, the work done. Doesn't matter if it |
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| takes a person 20 hours, or 1, it's the end product people see, |
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| and what ultimately matters (as you've pointed out in re: to QA). |
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There are times when being able to get something right *quickly* is |
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extremely important. Sometimes it makes no difference, sometimes it |
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does. |
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| Beyond that, I don't agreew with the "Arch testers haven't proven |
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| themselves". They wouldn't be marked as AT's by the arch if they |
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| hadn't demonstrated some form of worth, just the same as ebuild devs |
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| aren't recruited if they haven't shown some form of worth (this |
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| includes ability to stick around for more then a month). Screwups |
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| happen, but the stats offered are a pretty good indication they've |
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| got that angle addressed imo. |
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The whole point of the AT role is that it's used as a kind of testing |
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ground for potential full developers. It's a way to get the benefit of |
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extra testers without having to commit to giving them tree access |
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straight away. |
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| Treating contributors as second class citizens (in terms of cvs ro |
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| access and email) is a really great way to piss on people who are |
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| doing a good chunk of work for gentoo. |
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Bah. By the same argument, why don't we give out @gentoo.org addresses |
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to anyone who ever files a bug report? Otherwise we're treating our |
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users as second class citizens! |
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-- |
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Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron) |
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Mail : ciaranm at gentoo.org |
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Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm |