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On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 13:17:56 -0700 "Daniel Robbins" |
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<drobbins.daniel@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> So, again, since you are participating as a key member in an official |
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> Gentoo project, which is a developer-only privilege |
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Why is it a developer-only privilege? You just made that up. |
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> and should be removed from PMS. |
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That's not your decision to make. That's up to the person in charge of |
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PMS, and somehow I suspect you're going to have to come up with a much |
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better non-circular argument in order to convince him... |
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I also like how you're constantly coming up with new excuses for trying |
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to stop me from working on a project of whose purpose you were not even |
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aware when you started doing it. Perhaps next you could start |
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complaining that I was partly responsible for the acronym and state |
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that all Gentoo projects must have a non-amusing name -- no-one's tried |
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that line yet! |
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> You really are making my point - you have a really sweet gig in that |
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> you get to act as a Gentoo developer |
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Acting as a Gentoo developer? You mean going around saying "ooh! ooh! |
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I'm a Gentoo developer"? |
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> Yet even those who are worthy of being called Gentoo developers don't |
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> enjoy the privileges that you are currently enjoying. |
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That's their own fault... You'll also note that I'm far from the only |
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person who's chosen to take this route... |
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> > I was kicked for suggesting [snip] |
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> I don't care why you were kicked; the issue at hand is that you *were* |
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> kicked, and you currently *are* kicked, and as long as you *are* |
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> kicked, you aren't allowed to participate in certain things. |
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Those things would be -core and, uh, nothing else... There's never been |
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any requirement that people contributing to Gentoo be Gentoo developers. |
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> Gentoo is only going to be fun and productive again if we: |
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> 1) maintain a courteous and professional atmosphere |
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> 2) focus on good, transparent project management and collaboration |
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> 3) deliver cool technologies to Gentoo users |
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> AND IN THAT ORDER ONLY, which is the only order that works long-term. |
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> It makes no sense to try to do this in reverse order. It does not |
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> work. 3 requires 2 and 2 requires 1. Right now these three pillars are |
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> being treated as mutually exclusive goals which is absolutely |
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> ridiculous and wrong, where we accept failure in point 1 in the hope |
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> of achieving 3. |
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Which sounds very nice, but it's blatantly untrue. I point you to |
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eselect, the devmanual and Paludis as perfect examples to the contrary, |
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and gentoo-config and Zynot's xbuilds as an example of what happens when |
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design and early development is opened up to too many people. |
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As for professional -- in a professional environment, anyone jumping in |
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and badmouthing a project when they don't even know what that project |
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is would have been fired a long time ago. And courteous -- it's |
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generally considered courteous to fact check and do some basic research |
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before wasting other people's time. |
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You're also assuming that Gentoo is about fun -- nothing wrong with |
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that, but having fun does not give you or anyone else the right to |
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break the tree or screw up users' systems. Fun as a primary goal is |
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extremely unprofessional and inappropriate for projects where the |
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impact of breakages is so high. |
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-- |
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Ciaran McCreesh |
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Mail : ciaranm at ciaranm.org |
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Web : http://ciaranm.org/ |
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Paludis, the secure package manager : http://paludis.pioto.org/ |