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From: "Robin H. Johnson" <robbat2@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH v2 1/2] sec-keys.eclass: new eclass
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2024 18:31:36 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <robbat2-20241129T181110-319135320Z@orbis-terrarum.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0296ba81-8379-4030-896c-4722cc768d4a@gentoo.org>

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On Thu, Nov 28, 2024 at 10:36:36AM -0500, Eli Schwartz wrote:
> This doesn't test a useful property.
> 
> People cannot "remove" compromised keys from a keyserver to begin with.
> If they did, then checking to build the package with GENTOO_MIRRORS=
> DISTDIR=$(mktemp -d) is a significantly more useful test.
From a technical perspective, that depends on the keyserver design.

But the canonical "why" is GDPR Article 17 - right-to-erasure.

Hockeypuck even ships a script to make it easy for admins to delete
keys:
https://github.com/hockeypuck/hockeypuck/blob/5cc0fffe46f44986cbf78a554ab482e3baaa5143/contrib/docker-compose/standalone/README.md?plain=1#L177-L190

There is another more obvious reason why a key might vanish from a
keyserver: ephemeral & eventually consistent state

The SKS server implementation is sufficiently unreliable** for
keys.gentoo.org that one node occasionally corrupts it's database, and I
have a script that rebuilds it. If a key is uploaded to a node, and NOT
yet propagated to other nodes before the corruption event, this could
lead to the appearance of a key being removed.

The SKS network, when it still ran, also provided an eventually
consistent behaviour, such that a series of rapid queries to the DNS
rotation might not always return the same data for a given key if
changes to that key were in flight.

** Yes, one of the gentoo nodes is running Hockeypuck now, and I hope to
replace all of SKS with Hockeypuck in future, but it's not quite the
same yet.

-- 
Robin Hugh Johnson
Gentoo Linux: Dev, Infra Lead, Foundation Treasurer
E-Mail   : robbat2@gentoo.org
GnuPG FP : 11ACBA4F 4778E3F6 E4EDF38E B27B944E 34884E85
GnuPG FP : 7D0B3CEB E9B85B1F 825BCECF EE05E6F6 A48F6136

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-11-29 18:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-27 20:30 [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 1/2] sec-keys.eclass: new eclass Eli Schwartz
2024-11-27 20:30 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 2/2] sec-keys/openpgp-keys-gnutls: update to use sec-keys.eclass Eli Schwartz
2024-11-27 21:12 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 1/2] sec-keys.eclass: new eclass Michał Górny
2024-11-27 21:52   ` Sam James
2024-11-28  4:24   ` Eli Schwartz
2024-11-27 21:57 ` Sam James
2024-11-28  4:17   ` Eli Schwartz
2024-11-28  4:32 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH v2 0/2] sec-keys.eclass Eli Schwartz
2024-11-28  4:32   ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH v2 1/2] sec-keys.eclass: new eclass Eli Schwartz
2024-11-28 13:10     ` Michał Górny
2024-11-28 15:36       ` Eli Schwartz
2024-11-28 16:42         ` Michał Górny
2024-11-28 16:56         ` Sam James
2024-11-28 17:06           ` Michał Górny
2024-11-28 17:22             ` Sam James
2024-11-29 18:31         ` Robin H. Johnson [this message]
2024-11-29 19:02           ` Eli Schwartz
2024-11-29  7:30     ` Florian Schmaus
2024-11-28  4:32   ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH v2 2/2] sec-keys/openpgp-keys-gnutls: update to use sec-keys.eclass Eli Schwartz
2024-11-28 10:35 ` [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 1/2] sec-keys.eclass: new eclass Ulrich Müller
2024-11-28 15:36   ` Eli Schwartz

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