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Ciaran McCreesh wrote: |
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> On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:33:58 +0000 George Prowse |
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> <cokehabit2003@××××××××.uk> wrote: |
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> | > Perhaps you should consider *why* this is the case. There are |
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> | > plenty of changes that could be made to the forums that would make |
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> | > them much less inaccessible to developers. |
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> | Actually the forums are fine as they are. They are a tried and tested |
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> | formula and the main place that those need help go. That alone should |
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> | give you an idea. |
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> | If you could point out some *actual* problems then maybe we could |
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> | suggest some solutions. |
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> You've said it yourself. One *actual* problem is that there aren't |
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> enough developers posting there. Perhaps someone should consider asking |
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> why this is the case. |
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We have some developers who use the forums a lot, like the ones i |
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pointed out to you earlier. I can imagine that one of the main reasons |
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that developers dont use the forums is that they prefer to spend their |
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time developing their Gentoo projects while others find the time to help |
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those who need it on the forums. Neither person is right or wrong they |
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just prefer to benefit Gentoo in differing ways. Dont forget the |
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International developers as well... |
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> You can have two answers from me for free. These may or may not overlap |
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> with what you'll get from other developers. |
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> The first is that finding anything relevant amongst all the noise is |
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> extremely difficult. The search function utterly sucks (try searching |
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> for 'vim', 'fluxbox' or 'ciaranm'), so mostly I only go to threads |
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> when someone points me to them via another medium. |
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That has been noted and Ian! is building a new search function from |
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scratch. Other things that would possibly help would be the ability to |
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exclude forums from the search and perhaps splitting some of the forums up. |
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The very fact that the database is so large is testament to the |
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continuing popularity of the forums. |
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> The second is that the amount of nonsense up with which I have to put |
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> from forums users is surpassed only by the amount of nonsense that |
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> comes from forum mods (perfect example: the eventual introduction of the |
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> unsupported software forum after months and months of refusals and |
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> complaints to devrel whenever such a forum was suggested). Compare the |
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> average thread on the -user list with the average thread on the forums, |
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> for example. The -user list very much conveys the impression that it's |
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> there for technical discussion. The forums, on the other hand, is often |
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> much more oriented towards getting a high postcount, ricing and seeing |
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> who can make the best "Gentoo developers are elitist" comments. |
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Perhaps if you treated people with a little more respect then they would |
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have some more for you. If you have a complaint take it up with devrel, |
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you are in the correct place. |
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> Neither of these answers will, on its own, be enough to help you solve |
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> the "not enough developers on the forums" issue. Nor will it help if |
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> you claim that "the forums are fine as they are". Why not try finding |
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> out from other developers why they think the forums are not fine? |
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Why bother when we have you to speak for all developers? |
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