Gentoo Archives: gentoo-hardened

From: SK <yandereson@××××××.net>
To: gentoo-hardened@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-hardened] RIP hardened-sources
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 11:47:32
Message-Id: 84588199-078f-3aad-a844-1f199694c136@riseup.net
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-hardened] RIP hardened-sources by Alex Efros
1 You can't really change license because it is a kernel patch so it has
2 to be GPLv2 from what i understand.
3
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5 On 04/30/2017 01:08 PM, Alex Efros wrote:
6 > Hi!
7 >
8 > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 07:46:10PM +0300, Alex Efros wrote:
9 >> Thanks! But isn't this mean you forbid all Linux distributions (including
10 >> commercial ones like RedHat) to be GrSec/PaX subscribers (in case they
11 >> like to spend some money for it)? I.e. this decision will ensure majority
12 >> of Linux systems will never ever have GrSec/PaX
13 > If no one is replies on this yet because that's sad truth, then may I ask
14 > why don't you like to solve this in some way?
15 >
16 > For example, you can continue publishing source of GrSec/PaX versions, but
17 > use license which allows using it for free only for personal use and small
18 > business (say, less than 10-20 computers) on usual desktop/server PC.
19 > This way all server/desktop Linux distributions will be able to include
20 > alternative hardened kernel or have alternative hardened variant of
21 > overall distribution, but end-user will have to decide is they can use it
22 > for free or should subscribe or avoid using it.
23 > For Android phones/tablets and embedded devices you can make separate
24 > clause in license to let you get some money from Google and companies
25 > developing embedded devices if they will like to use GrSec/PaX, without
26 > forbidding such a possibility at all (rumours are current subscription
27 > options require to limit amount of installations, which is surely doesn't
28 > makes sense for Android).
29 >
30 > This way you shouldn't lose any money comparing to current situation,
31 > it also solve mentioned before issues when bad companies sell unsupported
32 > and modified GrSec variant and use "grsecurity" for marketing own
33 > products. Plus you'll continue wide-test your patch with Gentoo Hardened
34 > and some other distribution users and have your patch available for any
35 > external audit which is always good for security product's karma.
36 >
37 > If there are no good reasons to reject proposed solution and no
38 > alternatives to let people continue using GrSec/PaX for personal/small
39 > business use, then, yeah, conspiracy theories and three-letter-agencies
40 > start coming to mind - just because they wins more than anybody else
41 > including yourself if all Linux distributions won't have GrSec/PaX anymore.
42 >

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Subject Author
Re: [gentoo-hardened] RIP hardened-sources SK <yandereson@××××××.net>
Re: [gentoo-hardened] RIP hardened-sources "Daniel Cegiełka" <daniel.cegielka@×××××.com>