Gentoo Archives: gentoo-installer

From: Andrew Nishihira <andrewmorio@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-installer@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-installer] Major GLI Redesign!
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:52:25
In Reply to: [gentoo-installer] Major GLI Redesign! by Preston Cody
Than-you very much for the up-to-date progress. Congratulations for all the
hard work done up to now.I look forwards your release. Anything good to make
Gentoo installation easier for more people.

On 10/17/06, Preston Cody <codeman@g.o> wrote:
> > Greetings and salutations, > In GLI's 2.5 years or so of existence, we have achieved almost all of > the goals of the project. The first main goal of GLI was to make a > fully automated installation program that would work off of profiles, > be non-interactive, and architecture-generic. The other main goal was > to make an installer that could be used by end users for their > desktops without having to know XML and with pretty, easy-to-use > frontends that would help boost the reputation of Gentoo as not just a > super-l33t distro. > > We have struggled and faught hard to achieve both goals at the same > time, but alas they are simply too different to be able to handle both > and do a *good job* at both. > The main problem, as was to be expected, is partitioning. Andrew > Gaffney has spent ages working on trying to support every insaine and > idiotic combination of partitions that users try to create, but there > are millions of combinations and the simple truth is we can't do it > right for everyone, and we're tired of the endless stream of people > complaining why their drive with 6 primaries isn't being supported. > Also, with the current partitioning, it is extremely hard to support > raid or lvm or other architectures in general for that matter. > > After seeing the simplicity and ease of Quickstart, the solution > became clear: admit failure and split/branch GLI. So here's the plan: > > Quickstart will become the primary method for automated installations. > It is designed to be able to be netbooted and will be the installer > integrated into Scire. It may also be added to the minimal livecd at > some point (why not, right?). Quickstart works with blank drives > only, and is not too user-friendly. Currently no frontend or > configurator exists though I have plans for a web-based one that will > plug in to Scire nicely. > > GLI will be refactored to become slightly more interactive. There > will probably be about four main steps/stopping points/actions that > will occur. > 1. Setup networking, logfiles, chroot_dir and such.. i.e. all the > client_configuration stuff. This already is done interactively from > the two main frontends. We can thus chuck the entire client_profile > (yea!!!!) > 2. Drop to cfdisk or diskdruid to let the user do partitioning and > probably filesystem formatting too. This lets the user deal with > partitioning themselves and thus we don't get the blame when they > screw it up! :) > 3. Define mountpoints.. these will replace the partition layout in the > install profile. Then we fetch/install the stage tarball and/or > portage. We will still keep the dynamic stage3 (as well as making > command-line tools for its use), because the installer-livecd isn't > changing. Having this step separate lets us choose profiles and > gather updated info about things like USE flags. > 4. Everything else. There really isn't much benefit to separate out > the rest of the steps. We'll let people drop to a shell to make their > own kernel config, but I don't see much beyond that and I still like > the ability to configure at once and then let it go for a while. > > These changes will drastically simplify the partitioning code and make > GLI much easier to port to other architectures. > > The plan is to release a version of GLI like it is now with bugfixes > only for 2007.0 and target the new GLI (god forbid, should we call it > GLI 2.0? <cringe>) for 2007.1. If enough progress has been made, we > can try to put an experimental copy on the livecd and hide it (doesn't > make much sence to have an entirely different /experimental livecd > just for that). The new GLI will be written first and foremost with > gli-dialog as the frontend. The GTK frontend is quite bloated and a > pain to change and maintain, so it may disappear entirely and that is > ok by the installer devs. > > That's about it, if you have any questions/comments, feel free to post > them. This list has like no traffic so it could use some discussion > every once and awhile. > Have a pleasant day, > > -Codeman > -Installer Project Co-Lead. > -- > gentoo-installer@g.o mailing list > >
-- Andrew