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Thanks for clarifying your perspective Simon. But I think if this is the |
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general feeling and reason for the Gentoo Live Installer then your point |
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should be emphasised more to the Linux community at large. When Distrowatch |
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and others release statements about the new live installer then your |
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subjecting yourselves to be influxed with new users who think it's the |
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answer to their prayers. It's these hundreds, probably thousands of users |
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who need to know that 'Live Installer' in Gentoo speak is not the same as |
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'Live Installer' in PClinuxOS speak. In defence of the GLI I guess there is |
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no set boundaries as to what a Live Installer should exactly do. |
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I personally think the GLI is a massive improvement over traditional |
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methods, but still think the term 'Live Installer' is somewhat mis-leading |
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to new users. And I think you should care about what people think, and also |
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if they prefer another distro because without people/users Gentoo is dead. |
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-----Original Message----- |
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From: Simon Stelling [mailto:blubb@g.o] |
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Sent: 01 March 2006 12:53 |
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To: linuxman@×××××××××.com |
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-installer] version 0.3 of the Gentoo Linux |
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Installer |
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Hi, |
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LinuxMan wrote: |
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> What sort of attitude is that to tempt new users to Gentoo, or anyone for |
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> that matter. Surely the installer should be aiming to make installation |
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not |
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> just easier but also easier and better than the rest. Otherwise what's the |
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> point? If that's your attitude you might as well not bothered with the |
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> installer and just told everyone to read the manual instead!! I think |
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Norman |
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> has a valid point and your answer doesn't do his question justice. I'm |
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> concerned that there are potential new users who could add to Gentoo, who |
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> are going elsewhere because of confusing options and attitudes that don't |
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> help anyone. |
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Right, there are some very different opinions floating around in this |
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thread, |
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and they definitvely need some explanation. Let me try to explain my |
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personal |
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mentality towards this topic, I'm sure it'll help you to understand certain |
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decisions: |
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I've been a Gentoo developer for 1.5 years, working mostly 3 hours/day on |
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Gentoo, which makes a total of ~1650 hours. If I would only get $10 per |
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hour, |
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that would make at least ~$16'000. Doing volunteer work is pretty strange in |
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a |
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capitalistic system. Why should I do a lot of work for free? Of course not |
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because I'm just a great guy. The main reasons why I do work on OSS are: |
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* It's fun digging around in source code. |
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* It's fun being part of a great community. |
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* It's a great way to learn new stuff. |
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* It's a great way to avoid boredom. |
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As you see, the most important reason is having fun. I don't care about what |
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people think of Gentoo. If they think Debian is 10 times better, that's |
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okay. If |
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they think Gentoo is the biggest shit on earth and just a waste of time for |
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everybody, that's okay. I have fun with it, and that's the important thing. |
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Now, that was the fun part. But there are also a few things that are not so |
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funny. The most annoying thing I can think of are PEBCAK (problem exists |
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between |
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chair and keyboard) problems. You don't know how annoying it is to get |
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bugged |
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about a certain problem 100 times although you documented it very well and |
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even |
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asked people to read the documentation. It drives you mad. Sadly, there are |
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lot of new users unwilling to read documentation and then think Gentoo sucks |
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just because they are lazy. You try to solve the problem by making things |
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easy |
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enough that it doesn't require documentation. But keep in mind that those |
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people |
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will never contribute anything to the project. That's the big difference |
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commercial projects and free ones: I gave the lazy user 1650 hours of my |
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time, |
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he gave me nothing but a rant. If he at least gave me 16'000 bucks, the |
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situation would be a bit different, but he didn't. |
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People who want to give something back to a project start doing so by |
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reading |
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documentation. How could you contribute to a project without understanding |
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it |
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anyway? You simply can't. |
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The installer is a great thing, because it saves a lot of time for me, but |
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it |
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was never written to save the time you need to read and understand |
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documentation. GLI enables me to complete a Gentoo installation within 15 |
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minutes, therefore it is a great thing. It's not a great thing because it |
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will |
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make Gentoo more popular or easier to install for newbies that don't want to |
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read documentation. |
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I hope I could help you to understand the issue from a dev perspective. |
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Kind regards, |
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Simon Stelling |
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