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On 9/14/08, Andrew John Hughes <gnu_andrew@××××××××××.org> wrote: |
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> On 15:38 Sun 14 Sep , Alon Bar-Lev wrote: |
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> > Hello, |
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> > I just curious... How do you see the boostrap process for normal users? |
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> > You need jdk to setup icedtea... So we have somekind of loop... |
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> Yes, such a bootstrap issue is hardly limited to IcedTea. |
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> The same occurs with gcc for example, and other Free Java VMs. |
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This is OK to have these issues, I just want user to be able to setup |
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their configuration correctly and easily. |
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> > Users who do not want non open source package to run on their computers should: |
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> > 1. Install gcj |
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> > 2. Install icedtea |
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> > 3. Reinstall icedtea so it compiles with icedtea and drop gcj dependency??? |
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> > 4. Uninstall gcj |
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> You don't need stage 3 (there is no 'gcj dependency'), and stage 4 is completely optional. |
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> Other Free VMs can be used, but they also have bootstrap issues. |
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Great! |
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> In the long run, we probably need a binary option for lower spec. machines, |
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> as I've already said. |
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I don't like binaries... we really need to find a way to build from source. |
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> > Portage do not support these sequences... |
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> Well this is probably a flaw in portage then, but the solution is only |
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> a two-step emerge process: |
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> emerge gcj-jdk |
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> emerge icedtea6 |
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> I don't think that's inherently difficult. |
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You forgot: |
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java-config -S icedtea6 |
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emerge --unmerge gcj-jdk |
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It is not difficult for me or you. It is difficult for regular user |
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who want open source jdk and doing emerge openoffice for example. The |
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first jdk will be pulled... If the first jdk is gcj then this will be |
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installed and used by openoffice. If you want to use icedtea then you |
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need to complete some more stages. Most users will need some help. |
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> > So we have several options: |
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> > 1. Have users do this manually. |
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> > 2. Create a script similar to crossdev that perform the sequence. |
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> > 3. Add a private gcj build into the compile stage of icedtea, and drop |
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> > the jdk dependency. |
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> I don't see any problem with 1. Why is gcj not enabled in the bootstrap |
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> gcc on the install CDs? |
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Because it takes space and not needed for many configurations. |
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I think a simple script in the spirit of crossdev will enable users to |
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correctly and quickly set up their jdk. |
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Alon. |
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