Re: [gentoo-nfp] Questions For Gentoo Foundation Trustee Candidates

[Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto]

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On 15/07/19 11:45, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Mon, 2019-07-15 at 10:44 +0000, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
> wrote:
>> On 13/07/19 21:25, Michał Górny wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2019-07-13 at 22:15 +0100, Roy Bamford wrote:
>>>> On 2019.07.13 21:56, Alec Warner wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 1:15 PM Roy Bamford
>>>>> <neddyseagoon@g.o> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>> Maybe an example will help? What group or individual within
>>>> Gentoo will determine if directing the umbrella to buy a
>>>> Power9 system for the distro is a good idea or not.
>>>
>>> The Council, obviously.  As it should be doing it today, except
>>> by some weird mistake Foundation decides to skip it entirely
>>> and authorize technical decisions on its own.
>>
>> I strongly disagree with this position,. Both Infra and Releng
>> shouldn't (I'd go as further as saying don't) need Council
>> approval for spending money. Both teams funding requests are
>> rightly evaluated by Trustees and can be refused, but in neither
>> case should there be a "technical oversight" by the Council. Best
>> regards,
>>
>
> Do you have any arguments to support this claim?  I'd dare say you
> need one, especially that you're talking about special privileges
> that affect yourself.
>
> Why do you claim that Trustees (= people ideally with financial or
> legal background) are the right people to evaluate technical merits
> of funding requests?  Just because our Trustees happen to be
> technically competent people doesn't justify a general rule.

I?m arguing that the Council doesn't have or can't be expected to have
the technical competence to do a technical review of requests by both
Infra and RelEng.
Further, I'll argue that what you want is not technical oversight of
infra or Releng but being able to decide if we something should be
funded because of Council's view of Gentoo's general direction.
About arguments for my claim, to my knowledge, no request for funding by
Infra or Releng was ever subject to approval by Council. There has been
involvement of Council before on the discussion, something I don't
object to, but there was never any "approval" by Council - which is what
I object to.


> Does that mean that if we switch to an umbrella, Infra and RelEng
> want to request expenses directly from the umbrella, entirely
> skipping Gentoo supervision?

I'd argue that the requests should go through the liaison with the
Umbrella. Even if that ends up being the Council, I still argue it's not
up to the Council to evaluate the "technical merits" of the requests.

Regards,
Jorge

PS - Apologies to Michał for getting this twice as I didn't set the
proper reply-to.
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