Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Daniel Robbins Controversy Unfairly Reported in GMN

[Luca Barbato]

Square Bottle wrote:
> [Responding to two different people in one posting to keep the number
> of emails down.]
>
> On Jan 20, 2008 8:56 PM, Mike Frysinger <vapier@g.o> wrote:
>> a few things:
>>  - fix your top posting (in other words, stop doing it)
>
> It was an entirely new topic actually.

Please check this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting

>>  - dont hijack existing threads
>
> Again, it was an entirely new topic. You surely noticed that it had a
> brand new subject and everything. I accidentally left a different
> quote at the bottom because I used a different email to quickly set it
> up to send to the list, but this should have been the very last thing
> for you to see anyway.

If you press reply on an email the client will leave a tag to keep the
threads in shape with annoying results you may not expect. Next time
please try to write a brand new email.

> They chose to use some opinion posts from developers to summarize the
> debate, but only ended up giving one side of the story.

There aren't other sides on planet gentoo apparently.

> I don't really
> know how you can say there was no attempt to summarize it, because
> clearly something was meant to be reported, or else it would not have
> made it into GMN which is itself supposed to summarize what's going on
> in the big world of Gentoo.

The planet gentoo summary is just that ^^;

> Then the editor probably should have reconsidered how to deliver the
> information. Also, I sort of doubt that there aren't any gentoo
> developers at all on the other side. In any case, like I originally
> said, it's entirely possibly that it was just an unintentional
> mistake. But it still happened.

There is no mistake. The post were those and those were itemized.


>
>> at any rate, the general opinion was reflected in the
>> aforementioned blog posts.
>
> Actually, no, the general opinion not only wasn't reflected, but it
> wasn't even talked about, which is a big part of why I was upset. The
> general opinion is that Daniel coming back would be a good thing, as
> evidenced by the overwhelming majority of people that voted in favor
> of him coming back.

The general Gentoo Planet opinion seems to be against the Daniel
proposal since it is too broad, since his past attempts to rejoin Gentoo
and the resulting fallout and other details you can read in the tsunam post.

> Perhaps among developers the percentage is
> different (it sure seems like the developers have the opposite opinion
> of the community at large), but we don't know for sure exactly how it
> breaks down. The fact of the matter is that there are two sides, and
> one side has a very clear majority of support from the general
> community, and this side was not at all represented. If you are going
> to post opinion pieces from one side, you must post opinion pieces
> from the other side. Part of being a reporter is going out and getting
> quotes to represent all sides when trying to tell the news.

You should check about "vocal minority" and "artificial consensus
inflation"

> No, but it's loads better than leaving the other side out completely
> at least.

>From what I could see so far I'm afraid too many people got misguided to
frenzy, fail to grasp what is exactly going on and spend most time
hindering the process by resonating on mailing lists.

Again :
- THE WORLD ISN'T ENDING TODAY or REAL SOON (TM)

lu

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Luca Barbato
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Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC
http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

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