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On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 22:11 -0400, Mark Loeser wrote: |
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> How is this related at all to the current discussion? Perhaps you |
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> should contact the developers that are trying to get Gentoo/FreeBSD |
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> going. |
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I have directly. My point is, would be nice if we had some infra gear |
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for this. Which unless we buy it, would require someone to donate a |
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machine. So effectively holding back aspects of the project, due to a |
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lack of hardware or gear. |
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> > > Usually sponsorship or just the improvements they are bound to give back |
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> > > due gpl. We are not doing this for money, you know? |
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> > Yes, but we require $ to do what we do now. Gentoo doesn't happen for |
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> > free either. Again with all this time people are giving. If we had no |
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> > where to commit our code then? Or means to email each other like now. |
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> So are we going to start paying developers too? |
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No, where did anyone say anything about that? |
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> Having money for Gentoo |
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> should be to just help out where we can't get sponsors to do so. |
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Which is allot of places. Who would sponsors a Gentoo conference? Who |
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would sponsor our Gnome devs to fly to any Gnome conventions? Or provide |
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travel grants or reimbursement. Or the millions of other creative things |
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we could do with $ to help further Gentoo along. |
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> There |
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> is no way Gentoo will ever be able to pay all of its expenses. |
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Only if you think like that. I have presented several ways we could |
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easily do that. More to come, but the trustees have not begun any |
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official discussions or the like on this matter. So still something to |
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be done down the road. |
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> I'm not sure if that's what you are going for, but if so, I can't see how it |
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> will ever happen. |
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Just because you can't see it. Doesn't mean there aren't ways, etc. I |
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just proposed one in this thread. If companies have to pay to become |
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foundation members. That's $ right there, and that's just one of many |
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possible ways. |
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> > I think we already have clear abuses of volunteers and their time. Not |
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> > sure why you think we are much different or better than them. |
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> How are we abusing our volunteers and their time? |
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This is some what an abuse of my time right now. I am not committing |
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code. I am not making progress on the bylaws. I am effectively doing |
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nothing now, but addressing peoples concerns. More times than not in |
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Gentoo when dealing with others I am just wasting my time. It's very |
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sad. |
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Which everyone was quite silent on this list pre January 08. Seems like |
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the more anyone tries to do to improve things for all. The more others |
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have issues with any changes or improvement. |
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Instead of people saying, hey another Gentoo dev has good intentions. |
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People are quick to think and jump to the worst. With no thoughts on |
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toward the potential good that can come out of it all. |
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I did not create the present messes. Just trying to correct and clean up |
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so they do not repeat themselves. Also so the project can continue on, |
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and not risk major set backs by loss of a sponsor, or etc. |
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Which I love how no one comments on the potential catastrophe that still |
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might be looming over us. |
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