1 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- |
2 |
Hash: SHA1 |
3 |
|
4 |
On 2008.02.03 19:41, Matthew Summers wrote: |
5 |
> Roy Bamford wrote: |
6 |
> > On 2008.02.03 16:49, Matthew Summers wrote: |
7 |
> >> Roy Bamford wrote: |
8 |
> >>> |
9 |
> >>> Many new users come to gentoo as their first Linux. Many of |
10 |
> >>> them are poorly informed about both Linux and Gentoo - I don't |
11 |
> >>> know how to reach this group *before* they start asking for |
12 |
> >>> help in #gentoo and on the forums. Thats the sort problem we |
13 |
> >>> have to solve. |
14 |
> >>> |
15 |
> >>> |
16 |
> >> Roy, |
17 |
> > |
18 |
> >> Towards a solution to this particular issue above, I suggest |
19 |
> >> Gentoo provides a documentation project (possibly) entitled |
20 |
> >> "Learning Linux with Gentoo". Within this we could easily |
21 |
> >> address many issues faced by new Linux/Gentoo users. It would |
22 |
> >> seem, as well, to be a good service to the Gentoo and larger |
23 |
> >> Linux communities, as many users of other distros get information |
24 |
> >> from our documentation pages as well as our forums. This could |
25 |
> >> potentially increase Gentoo's exposure as well as our user base |
26 |
> >> by "de-mystifying" Gentoo and basically easing new users into our |
27 |
> >> way of operating, while also providing a great resource for all |
28 |
> >> Linux/Gentoo users. I do want to state that this is not in any |
29 |
> >> way intended to disparage the efforts of the Gentoo Documentation |
30 |
> >> Project in any way. I think our docs are fantastic in many ways. |
31 |
> >> I am simply suggesting some various extensions to that |
32 |
> >> documentation base as well as some updates. |
33 |
> > |
34 |
> >> This would also fit into my earlier proposition regarding the use |
35 |
> >> of university technical writing interns for said documentation |
36 |
> >> projects as posted to this list and syndicated as a guest post on |
37 |
> >> Joshua Jackson's (tsunam) blog. |
38 |
> > |
39 |
> >> As always, I offer my assistance/support in the aforementioned |
40 |
> >> endeavor. |
41 |
> > |
42 |
> >> Best Regards, |
43 |
> > |
44 |
> >> Matthew W. Summers (quantumsummers) |
45 |
> > |
46 |
> > |
47 |
> > |
48 |
> > Matthew, |
49 |
> > |
50 |
> > I think this is a good idea. However, one of the issues is that a |
51 |
> > body of new users is not even aware of the existance of the current |
52 |
> > documentation. |
53 |
> > |
54 |
> > e.g. How to head off questions like "I've just started the minimal |
55 |
> > CD to install Gentoo but all I get is a black screen with some text |
56 |
> > at the bottom. Where do I click to install Gentoo?" |
57 |
> > |
58 |
> > I'm not 100% sure it wasn't a troll but as this represents a class |
59 |
> > of problems seen on the forums, I'm sure that some are genuine. |
60 |
> > |
61 |
> > |
62 |
> |
63 |
> Perhaps one easy way to present the necessary information to the |
64 |
> users |
65 |
> that are "not even aware of the existance of the current |
66 |
> documentation" would be to extend the current message that is |
67 |
> displayed upon booting to the minimal livecd by loading an ncurses |
68 |
> based window that presents the current message and also presents the |
69 |
> user 3 radio buttons. The buttons represent three options. |
70 |
> |
71 |
> Option 1- I'm New to Linux |
72 |
> (Open lynx (or similar) to the hypothetical page "Learning Linux |
73 |
> with Gentoo: I Just Booted the Minimal LiveCD, Now What?") |
74 |
> 1st Lesson: Use of CTRL + F1-F6 to switch terminals, etc. |
75 |
> Option 2 - I'm New to Gentoo |
76 |
> (Open lynx (or similar) to the "Gentoo Handbook") |
77 |
> Option 3 - Continue to CLI |
78 |
> (Set at timeout for this ncurses screen of, say, 15 seconds |
79 |
> before |
80 |
> proceeding as usual, also allow the user to pass a switch to grub at |
81 |
> boot to bypass the ncurses) |
82 |
> |
83 |
> This is a rather brief description, and could easily be refined. It |
84 |
> is meant only to convey the general idea, that is, we can modify the |
85 |
> usual minimal livecd experience to reflect both the desires of many |
86 |
> veteran users to have a rapid & often remote boot, while serving the |
87 |
> new, perhaps less knowledgeable, users as well. |
88 |
> |
89 |
> Let me know what you think. |
90 |
> |
91 |
> Best Regards, |
92 |
> |
93 |
> Matthew W. Summers |
94 |
> |
95 |
> |
96 |
I like the sound of that. The CDs have a readme file which the user has |
97 |
to find that contains links to the handbook. |
98 |
|
99 |
A more "in your face" approach may be good. |
100 |
The 2008.0 feature request deadline has just passed. |
101 |
Maybe for 2008.1 |
102 |
|
103 |
|
104 |
- -- |
105 |
Regards, |
106 |
|
107 |
Roy Bamford |
108 |
(NeddySeagoon) a member of |
109 |
gentoo-ops |
110 |
forum-mods |
111 |
treecleaners |
112 |
|
113 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- |
114 |
Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) |
115 |
|
116 |
iD8DBQFHpi4xTE4/y7nJvasRAqdsAKDG+OYX3zGf3dTYgV4wo/iHjl1uZQCcD36y |
117 |
v4hF8wG3XFXrGo9l8Wvx5F8= |
118 |
=fbLo |
119 |
-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
120 |
|
121 |
-- |
122 |
gentoo-nfp@l.g.o mailing list |