Re: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Helping Hand ...

And now here we are in the mailinglist. 

I am here to help foundation, I'll do what I can. I've also talk to Tsunam, he has pointed me to a few areas I could help with in the mean time. 

To Chris - nothing against you, you just seemed to be the only one responding, and responses seemed closed minded, but then again I don't know the history as William was able to point out. No offense I hope. 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William L. Thomson Jr." <wltjr@g.o> 
To: "Ryan Gibbons" <ryan.gibbons@×××.org> 
Cc: "gentoo-nfp" <gentoo-nfp@l.g.o> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:01:41 PM (GMT-0600) America/Chicago 
Subject: [gentoo-nfp] Re: Helping Hand ... 

Ryan, 

Really prefer not to talk in private, but would rather communicate in 
public on -nfp list or other list based on topic. 

On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 15:46 -0600, Ryan Gibbons wrote: 
> ... Is what I am offering.
>
> After reading through the NFP mailing list, I have many of the same
> beliefs and ideas you do. I also am curious and want to help. I have
> been with gentoo since 2002ish and active since 2004. I really want
> to make a difference and hold on to what I enjoy and use both
> personally and professionally.

Great, help is always appreciated 

> I've never found a way to "get in" and I think this might be it for
> me.

Start contributing in any way you can. Helps to focus on an area, 
project, or herd. Work with the devs there, and on your way you will go. 

> I am offering a helping hand, and for some guidance about where I can
> go and what I can do. I wouldn't even mind joining the foundation,
> not to be cool, but to make a difference, and to work with people like
> you who want to make a difference also.

Great, would help if you would make a public statement to that effect. 

> Chris seems to be very closed minded,

Might seem that way, but he has supported a plan for the last ~8+ months 
that he voted against. He had other ideas that were outvoted. So he is 
very much a team player, and open minded when things make sense. 

But some of that is based on what he had done, does, and will do. He has 
earned respect and at times we need to put faith, even blind faith in 
those we respect and trust. Might seem like stubbornness but most always 
there is a valid reason. Just not practical to have to justify the 
reasoning to any and all, all the time. That just slows things down. But 
does explain reasoning when possible and necessary. 

> at least what I've heard of him from the last few days. And I've
> sent an e-mail to Grant, but I believe it is too swamped right now to
> do much, so I am hoping i can team/partner up with you and help the
> Foundation

-nfp mailing list is the place. Individuals privately are to busy 
working the problem to respond one to one as I am now. But won't be 
looking to carry this conversation on in private. Thus cc'ing -nfp list. 

Not meant rudely at all, it's just foundation matters we prefer to 
discuss with users in public not private. We don't even like discussing 
it in private ourselves, but for some of it for now. It's been 
necessary. 

-- 
William L. Thomson Jr. 
Gentoo/amd64/Java