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On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 10:51 AM Aaron Bauman <bman@g.o> wrote: |
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> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 10:04:28AM -0700, Alec Warner wrote: |
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> > On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 7:40 AM Aaron Bauman <bman@g.o> wrote: |
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> > > On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 07:52:53AM -0700, Alec Warner wrote: |
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> <snip> |
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> > > Can you explain why you ran for election on the platform of dissolving |
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> the |
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> > > foundation, in favor of an umbrella, but have not conducted any |
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> research |
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> > > into |
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> > > what is required to do so? Presented any definitive options, figures, |
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> > > impacts, |
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> > > etc to the electorate? |
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> > The electorate doesn't care about the details of the foundation. Of the |
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> > 80-odd members, ~30 of them will vote. |
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> > There are 4 people running and 3 seats, so it doesn't take much to get |
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> > elected (as noted earlier in the thread.) |
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> So, you have conducted a poll to back that statement? |
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I haven not conducted a poll, no. |
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> What if the reasoning of non-interest was simply not to be involved in the |
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> mess |
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> that is the tax filings? |
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Then I'd be wrong. |
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> > I'm happy to share a proposal at a later date. |
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> You said a year ago that you wanted to dissolve. So, why hasn't a proposal |
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> brought in a year? |
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I spent the majority of last year working on the RFP and finding a CPA. One |
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has been found. It seemed too early to propose articles of dissolution |
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without financial advise on how to wind down (which we now have.) |
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> > > Is this why you voluntarily put yourself up for re-election during the |
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> > > current |
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> > > cycle? |
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> > I'm not sure what 'this' is referring to, but I agreed with Robin's |
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> premise |
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> > which was that if Robin and I stepped aside mid-term it would free up |
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> more |
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> > seats and we might have a more vigorous election (as opposed to the |
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> usual, |
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> > which is we win by running unopposed.) I also bought into his argument |
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> that |
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> > it would be a great opportunity to sweep the board. Three open seats |
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> meant |
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> > that if a faction of Gentoo wanted to take control of the Foundation they |
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> > simply needed to find and elect three people and those people would have |
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> a |
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> > board majority. |
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> It refers to the previous statement of not having produced a proposal to |
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> dissolve into an umbrella. |
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> > The outcome was 4 candidates for 3 seats, so we get to have an election |
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> > (good!) but still pretty minimal participation from the community :/ |
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> > > > - The members themselves don't hold anyone accountable. Basically |
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> this |
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> > > > follows the last piece of the first bullet; that the board can |
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> basically |
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> > > be |
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> > > > bad at their job and keep their seats trivially. The members are |
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> supposed |
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> > > > to care about the board's mission (to support Gentoo!) but in fact |
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> most |
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> > > > members do nothing and vote once a year when asked (like now!) I |
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> suspect |
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> > > if |
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> > > > a potato was put on the ballot the members would vote for that as a |
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> > > trustee |
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> > > > if it filled a seat; because they don't care about the foundation |
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> working |
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> > > > correctly or not provided it continues to fund Infra (nominally one |
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> of |
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> > > two |
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> > > > useful things the Foundation actually does.) |
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> > > This can be fixed by proper by-laws, but the board has failed to adopt |
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> any |
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> > > reasonable by-laws to make forward progress. Also, I think a bit of |
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> > > transparency from the board would result in our sister nations |
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> > > understanding why |
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> > > by-laws and Articles of Incorporation are important. |
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> > > Many understand the significance of a GLEP, but do not neccasarily |
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> > > understand |
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> > > the importance/role of by-laws and AoI. |
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> > > Additionally, I do believe members and devs know the Foundation "holds |
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> the |
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> > > purse" as they have seen from the purchase of the Nitrokeys to support |
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> > > their |
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> > > mission. |
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> > > > - The scope of work done by the Foundation during it's 15 years is |
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> > > minimal |
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> > > > (trademark defense and funding) and I believe an umbrella |
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> organization |
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> > > > do both. I concede it limits future options (because once we give |
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> > > > the umbrella they can only do what is in any agreement we sign.) |
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> However, |
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> > > > its a risk I'm willing to take given the poor performance of the |
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> > > Foundation |
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> > > > in the past (and the anticipated poor performance in the future; see |
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> > > first |
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> > > > two points.) |
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> > > > -A |
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> > > c.f my statement above and consider the performance during this cycle. |
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> > > Overall, each individual has simply pointed out the financial failures |
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> > > the |
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> > > foundation... which I agree with. However, dissolution has many more |
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> > > potential ramifications than benefits. |
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> > > The majority of failures can simply be fixed by retaining a CPA. |
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> > If I was convinced we had the support of the community and a board to run |
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> > the Foundation for the next 10 years (retaining a CPA, doing other |
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> > duties) I'd not dissolve the Foundation at all. However, I'm not |
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> convinced |
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> > of that. You might ask "what would it take to convince me" and the answer |
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> > is likely more community participation in board matters, elections, etc. |
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> > You are one human; but it will take more than one to do this job. |
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> Seems we have more participation now, as you stated. |
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> > > > > -- |
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> > > > > Regards, |
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> > > > > Roy Bamford |
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> > > > > (Neddyseagoon) a member of |
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> > > > > elections |
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> > > > > gentoo-ops |
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> > > > > forum-mods |
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> > > > > arm64 |
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> > > |
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> > > -- |
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> > > Cheers, |
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> > > Aaron |
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> -- |
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> Cheers, |
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> Aaron |
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