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On Wed, Jul 07, 2021 at 11:05:47AM -0700, Matt Turner wrote: |
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> On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 7:26 AM Aaron Bauman <bman@g.o> wrote: |
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> > > Are you instead interested in the Foundation moving from a 501(c)6 to |
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> > > a 501(c)3 so that donations are tax deductible? If so, have you done |
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> > > anything to work towards that? |
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> > > |
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> > We are not a 501(c)6 and never have been. We also have never been a |
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> > 501(c)3 as the original board members never completed the paperwork. |
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> This is a pretty great example of the lack of communication I'm |
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> talking about. |
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Not just lack of communication. Horrible US law as well and people |
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making assumptions about what a "valid" state is. |
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> If we're not a 501(c)6 and never have been, then what are we and why |
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> don't you just state that so we're all on the same page? |
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Your statement misses some things: |
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A) If we aren't a 501(c)(6), what are we? |
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B) What set of rules are we required to operated under? |
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C) What set of rules are we actually operating under? |
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Part A was one of the significant questions we asked the CPA based on |
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the accounting services RFP. And I'm not going to spoil this section |
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with a TL;DR answer, because I want people to READ the section. |
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The earliest trustees were intending to file paperwork to become a |
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*501(c)(6)*, but never completed the paperwork. To the best of my |
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research, there was no paperwork attempted by the earliest trustees |
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towards a 501(c)(3). |
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What follows is my IANAL & IANA(CPA) summary of the IRS "Life Cycle of a |
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Business League (Trade Association)" |
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https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/other-non-profits/life-cycle-of-a-business-league-trade-association |
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A *new* corporation can come into existence (based on filing articles of |
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incorporation), and state it's INTENT to become a recognized 501(c)(6) |
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or 501(c)(3). |
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At that point, in some documentation, it's referred to as an |
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not-yet-recognized 501(c)(3/6). It does NOT have IRS Determination |
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Letter yet. Some donors, grantors and others might not yet provide |
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discounts for tax-exempt organizations. The organization cannot issue |
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As a not-yet-recognized 501(c)(3/6): |
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- "Starting Out": the entity must acts under the set of rules that would applicable to a 501(c)(3/6) |
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- "Applying to the IRS": files to become a 501(c)(3/6) & waits for the IRS review |
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If it doesn't file to become a 501(c)(6), then it's a normal corporation |
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business in the eyes of the IRS for any filings that are due at that |
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point. |
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At the same time, it can be a non-profit corporation recognized by a US |
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state, which is what we are: recognized by New Mexico as a domestic |
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non-profit corporation. |
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> According to [1] we seem to be a 501(c)1. |
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> [1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Articles_of_Incorporation |
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Just because the text "501(c)(1)" occurs in your search doesn't mean you |
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read what that section says. |
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https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Articles_of_Incorporation#Article_V_-_Restrictions |
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TL;DR: It says unless we CANNOT do activities that a 501(c)(1) can. |
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| Notwithstanding any other provision of these articles, the Corporation |
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| shall not carry on any activities not permitted to be carried on by a |
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| Corporation exempt from Federal income tax under section 501(c)(1) of |
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| the internal Revenue Code of 1986 or the corresponding provision of any |
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| future United States Internal Revenue Law (hereinafter, the "Code"). |
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> According to Funtoo [2] we seem to be a 501(c)6. |
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> [2] https://www.funtoo.org/Organization:Gentoo_Foundation |
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> According to Wikipedia [3] we seem to be a 501(c)6. |
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> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_Linux#History |
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> This [4] says the Gentoo has never been a 501(c)6 and since |
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> that's in the foundation namespace, I assume it must be definitive. |
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> So there's a *lot* of confusing information out there, and this could |
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> all be cleared up with some clear statement on the Wiki. As you said, |
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> it should all be on the Wiki. :) |
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> [4] https://gitweb.gentoo.org/foundation/financials-rfp.git/plain/build/gentoo-foundation-rfp.pdf |
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So we reach a conclusion: |
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- we are a corporation |
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- In New Mexico: bound by the rules of a non-profit corporation |
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- AND for the IRS: filing & paying taxes as a private corporation |
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- AND *voluntarily* holding ourselves to the STRICTER rules that a |
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501(c)(6) would follow, specifically because that permits future |
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transition to a 501(c)(6) status. (see |
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https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/other-non-profits/life-cycle-of-a-business-league-trade-association-jeopardizing-exemption) |
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In some ways, this means right now we're in one of the worst possible |
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spots in terms of our status: we play by stricter rules than we have to, |
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and don't get any of the benefits of being a federally recognized |
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non-profit corporation. |
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You may find the IRS Exempt Organizations-Technical Instruction Program |
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for IRC 501(c)(6) Organizations to be of interest. |
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https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopick03.pdf |
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If the Foundation & Council cannot find an Umbrella who is mutually |
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agreeable to have us as a project, we wind up in some of the other |
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options of the future state of the Foundation. |
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The *cheapest* option is to go full-private corporation, but that risks |
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the takeover concerns and I believe would be in bad faith with the |
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membership and the larger Gentoo culture. |
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The most expensive is transferring or forming a new 501(c)(3), with a |
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501(c)(6) being a middle ground. |
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Robin Hugh Johnson |
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